Just because you managed to sire a kid doesn't mean you're fit to teach them about anything. Plenty of stupid parents in the world.
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"Christian Running for WV House Is Appalled By Sex Ed Book Written for Pre-Teens"
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Better to marry than to burn, eh?
According to St. Paul's warped mind, yes. Unfortunately we're still dealing with the fallout from his screwed up thinking a few millennia later.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Now you're getting perverse....stop that at once!
nPeace
Veteran Member
Do you tell yourself that regularly?
No? Just like I don't need to tell myself that the sky is blue regularly. Some things are self-evident. A penis ejaculating into a vagina and a sperm cell reaching the egg doesn't automatically make you fit to teach anyone anything.
nPeace
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You seem to repeat it as though you are trying to remind yourself. Why are you even saying it? Did someone ask? Do you think someone needed to be informed? I was wondering because it seemed you were saying it like someone rehearsing in front of a mirror, or just to self.
Father Heathen
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But biology and nature aren't something as subjective as "moral values".
If your church taught that 2+2=5, then the school teaching 2+2=4 suddenly becomes a controversial moral statement.
Father Heathen
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We certainly wouldn't want our indoctrinated little automatons to be well informed critical thinkers.
Skwim
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What morals are those? Facts aren't morals. More typically morals are "Shoulds" and "should nots." See many of them in the links I provided? The closest I recall from the first link are:
"It makes sense to wait to have sexual intercourse until you're old enough and responsible enough to make healthy decisions about sex." (p7)
"Every female and male has the right to say no to any kind of touching---even when the person is older, or a lot older, or stronger, or a lot stronger than the other person." (p7)
"no matter what some people think it's always important for every person to remember to treat all people with respect." (p11)
"There are some who disapprove of people who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender or call them offensive names, or tease, bully, or even hate them, or not want to be with them, only because a person is lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender. Some also feel that LGBT people should not have the right to marry. They may feel this way because they think LGBT people are different from them or that gay realationships are wrong. These people's views are base on fears or misinformation, not on facts.." People are often afraid of people they know little or nothing about or who are different from them in some way." (p10)
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"Every female and male has the right to say no to any kind of touching---even when the person is older, or a lot older, or stronger, or a lot stronger than the other person." (p7)
"no matter what some people think it's always important for every person to remember to treat all people with respect." (p11)
"There are some who disapprove of people who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender or call them offensive names, or tease, bully, or even hate them, or not want to be with them, only because a person is lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender. Some also feel that LGBT people should not have the right to marry. They may feel this way because they think LGBT people are different from them or that gay realationships are wrong. These people's views are base on fears or misinformation, not on facts.." People are often afraid of people they know little or nothing about or who are different from them in some way." (p10)
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One thing is absolute, kids have questions, and will search until they find them. So what are their choices? Word of mouth, social media etc.? Instead of rejecting it outright, parents may add a moral component to guide them in understanding the objections to certain sexual behavior.
Which incidentally was finally vandalised and demolished by decree of Pope Theophilus
HonestJoe
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Facebook has an "educational material" exception in it's rules and given none of the images in the extracts are in any way explicit or gratuitous, I'd confidently say that they'd be perfectly fine posted on Facebook in the right context (which is how they're presented in an educational textbook too).
Skwim
Veteran Member
Then Derrick Evans's comment is just another lie among his others, which comes as no surprise.
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dianaiad
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And who says that morals come down to math equations?
Biology and nature aren't subjective, but MORALS certainly are.
My point is that if the secular schools are going to use materials rated ...how was it put...PG and PG13, never mind R rated material to teach THEIR version of 'what is ok to do' to 9 and 10 year olds...material that their PARENTS could get arrested for if THEY showed the same stuff the to same kids, there is something very much wrong with the whole idea
Skwim
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I'm surprised. I always thought Mormons pretty much hewed to the inflexible moral dictates of the Bible and LDS elders. No?
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dianaiad
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And what would those be, Skwim?
Are they what WE say they are, or what you do?
And either way, who are you to decide for us what we teach our children as to morality? When does YOUR idea of what 'moral' is trump ours, that you get to tell us what we can and can't do?
Now me, MY children knew the 'facts of life," including birth control and all the facts surrounding the biology as soon as they became old enough to ask the questions. The girls knew about menstruation (and the problems it CAN cause) by the time they were 10 Not that 10 was a magic age...it's just that this was when they asked. We had a party, with cake and a 'girl's night out' when it first happened to each, with 'goody baskets' full of the stuff they needed given to all the party participants....boys strictly not allowed. Their father took care of them, no girls allowed
The subject of birth control was not only thoroughly discussed at the time, but discussed frequently before and after. Nobody had a problem 'coming to Mom' about it....and that actually saved one of my daughter's life, when she ended up with a ruptured ovary when she was all of fifteen. Because she wasn't afraid to tell me about it, or nervous about talking to a doctor, and I wasn't afraid to deal with it, we were able to get it fixed quickly enough that she preserved her life and her ability to bear children later.
We talked, both the boys and the girls, about all those topics; sexual orientations, bullying, "what to do" when certain things came up...no, Skwim, my kids had the objective facts of the biology....AND the morals...explained to them all during their school years, and by me, not by some incredibly stupid left wing school teacher who wasn't nearly as unbiased as she thought she was.
As a result, they were able to protect their best friend, who was (and is) so blazingly gay he could be used as a billboard for stereotypes, for crying out loud. He's pretty much my other son, whom I love and am ready to do the wedding for, if he will EVER settle down.
The POINT is, I hate this idea. Sexual morals are a family thing, not a school thing. Hands off.
Biology? Absolutely.
Teaching MY KIDS that it's OK to have sex when they are 15 as long as they use condoms, and btw, they don't have to tell their parents?
Uh,
No.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Well, from the Bible we have the following, which I assume you go along with.
“Whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart” (Matt. 5:28).
“Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.” (Eccl. 12:13.)
Honor your parents
Don't steal
No one can serve two masters
Love your neighbor as yourself
And from the Bible and the edicts of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints (link is at the end of the list.)
Willful participation in adultery, fornication, homosexual and lesbian behavior, incest, or any other unholy, unnatural, or impure sexual activity is immoral
Homosexual behavior and other sexual perversions are an abomination, Lev. 18:22–23.
If a man forces a woman to lie with him, only the man is guilty of sin, Deut. 22:25–27.
Whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart, Matt. 5:28 (3 Ne. 12:28).
Fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection are idolatry, Col. 3:5.
Sexual sin is an abomination, Alma 39:3–5.
Do not drink wine nor strong drink, Lev. 10:9.
The Lord counseled the Saints to not use wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks, D&C 89:1–9.
Drunkards shall not inherit the kingdom of God, 1 Cor. 6:10 (Gal. 5:21).
The Lord has counseled His Saints to not sleep longer than is needful (D&C 88:124).
The wages of sin is death, Rom. 6:23.
Do not suppose ye will be restored from sin to happiness, Alma 41:9–10.
Unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, D&C 82:7.
Cease from all your lustful desires, D&C 88:121.
In nothing does man offend God, save those who confess not his hand and obey not his commandments, D&C 59:21.
Seek not for riches but for wisdom, D&C 6:7 (Alma 39:14; D&C 11:7).
Whosoever repenteth shall have claim on mercy, unto a remission of his sins, Alma 12:34.
Let all men beware how they take my name in their lips, D&C 63:61–62.
Whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased, Matt. 23:12 (D&C 101:42).
Whatsoever you shall seal on earth shall be sealed in heaven, Hel. 10:7 (Matt. 16:19).
If a man marry a wife not by me, their covenant and marriage is not of force when they are dead, D&C 132:15.
Teach parents that they must repent and be baptized, Moro. 8:10.
All children have claim upon their parents, D&C 83:4.
If thy brother or sister offend thee and confess, thou shalt be reconciled, D&C 42:88.
Work out your own salvation with fear, Philip. 2:12.
“Remember, to be carnally-minded is death, and to be spiritually-minded is life eternal” (2 Ne. 9:39).
The Ten Commandments were given by God through the prophet Moses to govern moral behavior.
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Homosexual behavior and other sexual perversions are an abomination, Lev. 18:22–23.
If a man forces a woman to lie with him, only the man is guilty of sin, Deut. 22:25–27.
Whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart, Matt. 5:28 (3 Ne. 12:28).
Fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection are idolatry, Col. 3:5.
Sexual sin is an abomination, Alma 39:3–5.
Do not drink wine nor strong drink, Lev. 10:9.
The Lord counseled the Saints to not use wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks, D&C 89:1–9.
Drunkards shall not inherit the kingdom of God, 1 Cor. 6:10 (Gal. 5:21).
The Lord has counseled His Saints to not sleep longer than is needful (D&C 88:124).
The wages of sin is death, Rom. 6:23.
Do not suppose ye will be restored from sin to happiness, Alma 41:9–10.
Unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, D&C 82:7.
Cease from all your lustful desires, D&C 88:121.
In nothing does man offend God, save those who confess not his hand and obey not his commandments, D&C 59:21.
Seek not for riches but for wisdom, D&C 6:7 (Alma 39:14; D&C 11:7).
Whosoever repenteth shall have claim on mercy, unto a remission of his sins, Alma 12:34.
Let all men beware how they take my name in their lips, D&C 63:61–62.
Whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased, Matt. 23:12 (D&C 101:42).
Whatsoever you shall seal on earth shall be sealed in heaven, Hel. 10:7 (Matt. 16:19).
If a man marry a wife not by me, their covenant and marriage is not of force when they are dead, D&C 132:15.
Teach parents that they must repent and be baptized, Moro. 8:10.
All children have claim upon their parents, D&C 83:4.
If thy brother or sister offend thee and confess, thou shalt be reconciled, D&C 42:88.
Work out your own salvation with fear, Philip. 2:12.
“Remember, to be carnally-minded is death, and to be spiritually-minded is life eternal” (2 Ne. 9:39).
The Ten Commandments were given by God through the prophet Moses to govern moral behavior.
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Whoa there a minute before you get all tied up in buttons and bows. Rethink what you've just said here and what I haven't said.
Good for the kids. They're lucky to have the parents they do.
Unfortunately, too many kids do not and need non-judgemental help from outside their familiesSo what morals does the book set forth?
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