Christian Syrian Refugees

[idav]

Trump want to keep "radical Islam" out but wants to let in Syrians who claim to be Christian. His never sounded feasible to me and wouldn't Syrians just hold a cross to get let in legally? The claim that it's harder for Christian's to get in than muslims doesn't seem like that's a fault of our politicize but due to persecution of christians Islamic states.

Trump says US will prioritize Christian refugees - CNNPolitics.com

Thoughts?

 

[Kuzcotopia]

Trump want to keep "radical Islam" out but wants to let in Syrians who claim to be Christian. His never sounded feasible to me and wouldn't Syrians just hold a cross to get let in legally? The claim that it's harder for Christian's to get in than muslims doesn't seem like that's a fault of our politicize but due to persecution of christians Islamic states.

Trump says US will prioritize Christian refugees - CNNPolitics.com

Thoughts?

The bigger problem is that the West will suddenly be seen as pro-Christian and anti-Muslim.

It was a variation on his campaign promise. . . and probably the biggest reason he was voted in. Shouldn't be surprised. . . But the specific accommodations for one faith over another, I did not expect.

 

[esmith]

If you read what he signed maybe that would answer your question. So to summarize what NYT article said is.
1. Stops "all" Syrians from entering the country indefinitely .
2. Stops "all" refugee immigration for 120 days
3. Stops "all" immigration for 90 days from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen
4. Once immigration from those 7 countries is reestablished "extreme vetting" of those wishing to immigrate to this country and those claiming to be persecuted Christians will get priority.

Now looking at what you said and what the article (I can supply more but you can always search for more) says, would you not say that your statement is not wholly truthful?
In addition there is more in the Executive order than what is being released. You can read it in the provided link

 

[Shiranui117]

Trump want to keep "radical Islam" out but wants to let in Syrians who claim to be Christian. His never sounded feasible to me and wouldn't Syrians just hold a cross to get let in legally? The claim that it's harder for Christian's to get in than muslims doesn't seem like that's a fault of our politicize but due to persecution of christians Islamic states.

Trump says US will prioritize Christian refugees - CNNPolitics.com

Thoughts?

Proving whether a refugee is Christian or not is simple. Have them say the Nicene Creed. All the Christians from that part of the world are Catholic or Orthodox, so they'll all know it.

 

[Debater Slayer]

The exemption seems to imply that he believes Christianity is any less condemnable than Islam. I think he's both mistaken and blindly biased. As far as I can see, Christianity is one of the most harmful and maladaptive religions in human history, so this exemption is nothing more than baseless favoritism.

 

[Augustus]

The claim that it's harder for Christian's to get in than muslims doesn't seem like that's a fault of our politicize but due to persecution of christians Islamic states.

It is to some extent true that it was much harder for Christian refugees to go to the US, but not because Muslims were singled out to be favoured but due to the process of how America took in refugees from Syria. They were referred on to the US by the UN from refugee camps, but Christians tended to avoid these as they didn't feel safe there.

I suppose that must be put down as being the 'fault' of US administration, or at least the inevitable consequence of a certain policy direction even though it was not a deliberate aim.

 

[Neo Deist]

The exemption seems to imply that he believes Christianity is any less condemnable than Islam. I think he's both mistaken and blindly biased. As far as I can see, Christianity is one of the most harmful and maladaptive religions in human history, so this exemption is nothing more than baseless favoritism.

Christians didn't fly the planes into the WTC or Pentagon. Christians aren't the ones marching children behind men on their knees, and then having the children shoot them in the head. Christians aren't the ones that are capturing people and beheading them slowly with a knife. Christians are not the ones locking people in cages and then burning them alive or dropping them into the deep end of a pool. Christians are not the ones that are strapping bombs to their chest and then walking up to a group of civilians and detonating.

Let's keep it real. Radical Islam is the face of terrorism. Since there is no way of telling anyone from that region apart just by looks, you have to shut down immigration until matters can be sorted out. The protection of American citizens will trump (pun intended) letting foreigners come into the country.

 

[Mister Emu]

The claim that it's harder for Christian's to get in than muslims doesn't seem like that's a fault of our politicize but due to persecution of christians Islamic states.

It is the fault of political class. They made the decision to almost, if not, exclusively draw from UN refugee camp claimants; camps that were still dangerous for Christians fleeing persecution. That is why even though 10% of Syria was Christian, only 0.5% of refugees admitted to America were so. That is 1/2 of a single percent.

The bigger problem is that the West will suddenly be seen as pro-Christian and anti-Muslim.

Hahahaha, "suddenly".

The exemption seems to imply that he believes Christianity is any less condemnable than Islam. I think he's both mistaken and blindly biased. As far as I can see, Christianity is one of the most harmful and maladaptive religions in human history, so this exemption is nothing more than baseless favoritism.

The priority is an attempt to make up for the complete disregard Christian refugees were shown by the last administration.

 

[tytlyf]

Woohoo, terrorists will say they're christian. Hopefully America will not be viewed as a christian nation. Terrorists will target the country even more.

 

[idav]

The bigger problem is that the West will suddenly be seen as pro-Christian and anti-Muslim.

It was a variation on his campaign promise. . . and probably the biggest reason he was voted in. Shouldn't be surprised. . . But the specific accommodations for one faith over another, I did not expect.

I was never a fan of painting a bigger target on our backs than we already have either.

 

[idav]

Proving whether a refugee is Christian or not is simple. Have them say the Nicene Creed. All the Christians from that part of the world are Catholic or Orthodox, so they'll all know it.

Well one problem is if an islamic extremist feels it is right to lie, their book backs them up.
Islam Permits Lying to Deceive Unbelievers and Bring World Domination! (MuslimFact)

 

[idav]

If you read what he signed maybe that would answer your question. So to summarize what NYT article said is.
1. Stops "all" Syrians from entering the country indefinitely .
2. Stops "all" refugee immigration for 120 days
3. Stops "all" immigration for 90 days from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen
4. Once immigration from those 7 countries is reestablished "extreme vetting" of those wishing to immigrate to this country and those claiming to be persecuted Christians will get priority.

Now looking at what you said and what the article (I can supply more but you can always search for more) says, would you not say that your statement is not wholly truthful?
In addition there is more in the Executive order than what is being released. You can read it in the provided link

Do you think it is really about terrorism and not bias toward a certain religion? When we suddenly stop letting in people from predominantly Islam countries. Wow we are super christian neighborly when people are living in war torn areas.

 

[esmith]

Do you think it is really about terrorism and not bias toward a certain religion? When we suddenly stop letting in people from predominantly Islam countries. Wow we are super christian neighborly when people are living in war torn areas.

You can think what you want, that's your prerogative. However, I must point out that your initial post was inaccurate. Now I do not know if this was due to your bias against anything President Trump brings forward or a misreading of your source or a combination of both. However do you not think that bringing forward factual information might be beneficial to any discussion?
Yes I really think the intent is to keep terrorist out of this country and again you can read anything you want into something or have an opinion on anything, but first one must have the facts in order to make a honest assessment of the issue.

 

[idav]

You can think what you want, that's your prerogative. However, I must point out that your initial post was inaccurate. Now I do not know if this was due to your bias against anything President Trump brings forward or a misreading of your source or a combination of both. However do you not think that bringing forward factual information might be beneficial to any discussion?
Yes I really think the intent is to keep terrorist out of this country and again you can read anything you want into something or have an opinion on anything, but first one must have the facts in order to make a honest assessment of the issue.

I can go by what Trump actually said. He is clearly making it a religious issue.

"If you were a Muslim you could come in, but if you were a Christian, it was almost impossible and the reason that was so unfair -- everybody was persecuted, in all fairness -- but they were chopping off the heads of everybody but more so the Christians. And I thought it was very, very unfair. So we are going to help them."

Trump says he will make Christian refugees a priority

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Its a logical decision by Trump a man who is known to be crusader. He wants to defend christian world.

Pope must support him. He defends christian and jewish world.

 

[Shiranui117]

Well one problem is if an islamic extremist feels it is right to lie, their book backs them up.
Islam Permits Lying to Deceive Unbelievers and Bring World Domination! (MuslimFact)

If you're talking about Taqqiyah, that is only allowed when a Muslim is under threat of death for being a Muslim. It isn't something you do for world domination. It's only something you do to save your own skin (and often, that of your family.) It is the shield of the persecuted, not the cloaked dagger of the overthrower.

 

[habiru]

Trump want to keep "radical Islam" out but wants to let in Syrians who claim to be Christian. His never sounded feasible to me and wouldn't Syrians just hold a cross to get let in legally? The claim that it's harder for Christian's to get in than muslims doesn't seem like that's a fault of our politicize but due to persecution of christians Islamic states.

Trump says US will prioritize Christian refugees - CNNPolitics.com

Thoughts?

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