Christian women, would it help men to be less lustful if women's clothing didn't show so much of...

[savagewind]

I am a woman. I look at cleavage. I do not know why. I think it is pretty but not always. I understand that the shape of a woman is nice.
I guess I am not gay as I have never lusted after boobs or buts.

 

[Digital_Monk]

No, not pajamas. Loose fitting street clothes made of cotton.
Clothes that aren't pajamas but that I might wear to bed. Oh no! That's sexy. Isn't it?

I don't know. A woman in a pair of my boxer shorts and wearing one of my old geeky sci-fi t-shirts used to be a darned-near pretty sure way to get me to vacate work and go have "play time". Even an old curmudgeon like me has preferences.

Was that immodest of me to post? Certainly. Do I care? Nope. *WINK*

 

[Digital_Monk]

Some women can even pull off wearing scrubs and getting me to take a double peek when a that woman ain't watching me watching her.

 

[savagewind]

I don't know. A woman in a pair of my boxer shorts and wearing one of my old geeky sci-fi t-shirts used to be a darned-near pretty sure way to get me to vacate work and go have "play time" with a couple women in my 20-30 "Really unsure about my sexuality decade of doom". Even an old curmudgeon like me has preferences.

Was that immodest of me to post? Certainly. Do I care? Nope. *WINK*

I understand until play time and then again from Even but what is that in the middle?

 

[savagewind]

Some women can even pull off wearing scrubs and getting me to take a double peek when a that woman ain't watching me watching her.

See? It isn't the clothes. I hear it is magic ovulation.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The HAIR. Long hair is an aphrodisiac. I think this can be proved.

Sure is!

 

[Digital_Monk]

I understand until play time and then again from Even but what is that in the middle?

Hmm...not sure what you mean there. *shrugs*

 

[Digital_Monk]

*teehee*

 

[Digital_Monk]

Must be static. *shrugs*

 

[leibowde84]

I don't understand the vitriol about the simple statement "I wish women would dress more modestly". It's seven words and somehow people are making it out to be a treatise of my entire views on women as a gender. Why does something have to mean anything other than what it is? Why can't 7 words mean exactly what they are as typed?

People just make me shake my head in dismay most of the time. I don't get you folks. I just don't get you.

It's offensive to "wish" that women would change the way they dress merely because of the lust and criminal behavior of men. That is why you see this reaction. They find the idea itself worthy of ridicule. I tend to agree.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's offensive to "wish" that women would change the way they dress merely because of the lust and criminal behavior of men.

I didn't see DM offer this reason.
Did he?

 

[Draka]

Okay I respect that. But let me change it a bit. What if the women felt uncomfortable not because she felt threatened (like he's going to rape me) but she just felt the normal uncomfortability that one feels when someone is staring at them (self-conscious for example). Would you agree then that if we hold that it is okay for a woman to dress however she wants it should be okay for others to stare at her even if it makes her feel self-conscious?

If I may chime in here, I think the difference is intention. If I wear something skimpy because it's hot, or it's comfy, or I just like the way it looks on me, I'm doing that for me. I'm not wearing it with the intention of making someone uncomfortable, nor am I directing my clothing at someone in particular. Someone blatantly staring at someone else is directing themselves towards another person intentionally. Whether they are doing it because they want the person, are sexually attracted to them, find them pretty, or have who knows what in mind...it can be a creepy thing and it is intentional and directed personally. My wearing a halter top or short shorts is not directed at someone, nor is it creepy or disturbing. One doesn't have to wonder if my wearing a halter top means I will be stalking them home later. Whereas some dude gawking at me from a couple yards away may well be thinking about doing something to me. He made it personal by staring. My shorts have done nothing to him.

 

[leibowde84]

I didn't see DM offer this reason.
Did he?

It is the subject of the OP. And, he took it further saying that he wished that women would dress more modestly.

 

[Digital_Monk]

It's offensive to "wish" that women would change the way they dress merely because of the lust and criminal behavior of men. That is why you see this reaction. They find the idea itself worthy of ridicule. I tend to agree.

There was nothing in my statement anywhere that explicitly spoke of my "reasons" for saying what I did. You're seeing something that isn't there. I feel like Captain Picard when I say "There are exactly seven words". "I wish women would dress more modestly". Seven words - what do I mean by the statement "I wish women would dress more modestly"? It's seven short words so we can get through this pretty quickly.

 

[leibowde84]

There was nothing in my statement anywhere that explicitly spoke of my "reasons" for saying what I did. You're seeing something that isn't there. I feel like Captain Picard when I say "There are exactly seven words". "I wish women would dress more modestly". Seven words - what do I mean by the statement "I wish women would dress more modestly"? It's seven short words so we can get through this pretty quickly.

My bad. I thought you were extending off the OP. Nm. Appologies.

 

[Thanda]

If I may chime in here, I think the difference is intention. If I wear something skimpy because it's hot, or it's comfy, or I just like the way it looks on me, I'm doing that for me. I'm not wearing it with the intention of making someone uncomfortable, nor am I directing my clothing at someone in particular. Someone blatantly staring at someone else is directing themselves towards another person intentionally. Whether they are doing it because they want the person, are sexually attracted to them, find them pretty, or have who knows what in mind...it can be a creepy thing and it is intentional and directed personally. My wearing a halter top or short shorts is not directed at someone, nor is it creepy or disturbing. One doesn't have to wonder if my wearing a halter top means I will be stalking them home later. Whereas some dude gawking at me from a couple yards away may well be thinking about doing something to me. He made it personal by staring. My shorts have done nothing to him.

But directing something at someone is not specifically wrong is it? I may direct a particular thought at you and no one can accuse me of any evil. Something being directing at someone is therefore no measure of evil.

The question is whether there is any evil intent on the part of the person doing a thing. Did the woman wearing the skimpy clothing intend to make someone uncomfortable; did she intend to influence the interviewer to hire her? Likewise did the person staring at the skimpily clad woman intend to make her feel scared or uncomfortable; did he intend to communicate the fact that he wants to rape her later on?

Also note a very important thing: in a crowded place (like in a busy supermarket) you will likely not notice if someone is staring at you. Likewise in a crowded place it is difficult to argue a woman dressed skimpily specifically to make you feel uncomfortable. But in an interview it is not such a stretch to say she dressed specifically for you and to perhaps influence how you feel.

So depending on context staring can be as harmless as dressing scantily and dressing scantily can be as sinister as staring.

But the main issue for me is a woman's ability to dictate what men do with their eyes.

 

[Ingledsva]

It was not about that.

Women according to the Bible were made to help men.

I was asking their thoughts on helping men.

Actually it says Chav'vah was half of the androgynous human being/Adam, and was split off so they could mate. She wasn't created later from Adam's rib.

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[Ingledsva]

I don't understand the vitriol about the simple statement "I wish women would dress more modestly". It's seven words and somehow people are making it out to be a treatise of my entire views on women as a gender. Why does something have to mean anything other than what it is? Why can't 7 words mean exactly what they are as typed?

People just make me shake my head in dismay most of the time. I don't get you folks. I just don't get you.

Why didn't you say people should dress more modestly? Men do the same thing.

I've seen plenty of men in jeans so tight you can see their junk, or whatever they rolled up to look like their junk. LOL!

Or weightlifter types in cut off shirts and shorts to show their bodies.

Or muscle-men topless out in the sun, - all greased up to attract women.

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[Ingledsva]

Monk,

I agree. Women should dress more modestly, but they are encouraged by Hollywood and the media to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Occasionally I've looked at people, - both male and female, - and thought they should dress a little differently; - however, - only because I know how peoples' minds work.

The reality is that we have over-sexualized the body, - especially the female body.

So much so that breasts are considered sex objects - to be covered, - rather then milk producers.

People should be able to walk around nude, and not be harassed by anyone.

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[Ingledsva]

I do feel modesty is best for the spiritual life of men and women. We humans are in-between the animal and the divine. Sexual images draws us into craving the experiences and thoughts of the lower senses. The higher spiritual life involves detachment from more primitive/animal desires as they can consume one's mind.
This post probably won't get 'likes' from atheists but I am speaking for those who believe in an evolving spiritual life that exists beyond materialism.

Yet some Hindu Holy men wander around with nothing but a wrap around their genitals, or - even fully naked.

Cover-up is almost always directed at women in patriarchal countries, - because they have split women into two basic categories, - whore, and mother material.

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