Christianities Axioms?

[prometheuspan]

What are the core axioms of Christianity?

what are the top 20 Christians denominations?

how do those denominations regard those axioms?

How did the assorted denominations splinter over time?

How have the core axioms changed over time?

What are the differences between the core axioms of the essenes and gnostics
versus modern christianity?

How many of those core axioms came from judaism?

How many from Roman paganism?

How many from other religions?

 

[dmgdnooc]

Your'e not asking for a post, but a tome.
How about In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth.
That's, traditionally, the place to start.
Can we move on from there?

 

[Mister Emu]

What are the core axioms of Christianity?

We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God,
eternally begotten from the Father, God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God, begotten, not made, of the same substance as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father (and the Son).
With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

what are the top 20 Christians denominations?

In regards to what?

How did the assorted denominations splinter over time?

East and West split in 1054, with mutual anathemas against each other(which were rescinded in 1965), I'd suggest looking up a history of the reformation for learning about the myriad of protestant denominations...

 

[prometheuspan]

Your'e not asking for a post, but a tome.

actually, a short list of 100 axioms would only be a page or 3 long.

a 1000 axiom list would be maybe a few pages.

How about In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth.
That's, traditionally, the place to start.
Can we move on from there?

thats good ... keep em rolling...

 

[prometheuspan]

Quote:
what are the top 20 Christians denominations?

In regards to what?

Which 20 christian denominations have the largest number of adherents?

which 20 christian denominations could be objectively said to be the closest to
the Essenes and Yeshuas original movement?

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How did the assorted denominations splinter over time?

East and West split in 1054, with mutual anathemas against each other(which were rescinded in 1965),

Thats two major forks in a tree with almost a hundred major forks.

I'd suggest looking up a history of the reformation for learning about the myriad of protestant denominations...

Yes, i have done that, but this is a socratic method thread.

could you link us to materials which you are referring to?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

What are the core axioms of Christianity?

what are the top 20 Christians denominations?

how do those denominations regard those axioms?

How did the assorted denominations splinter over time?

How have the core axioms changed over time?

What are the differences between the core axioms of the essenes and gnostics
versus modern christianity?

How many of those core axioms came from judaism?

How many from Roman paganism?

How many from other religions?

1) That Jesus was the messiah, spoken of by the prophets, and that his death somehow reconciles humans to God.

2) I'm not naming 20, I'll name the top 5 denoms, in order of highest adherants.

a. Roman Catholic
b. Eastern Orthodox
c. Anglicans/ Church of England
d. United Pentacostals
e. Mormons

3) All except a and b splintered from Catholicism, because they felt Catholicism had strayed from Christianity by lifting tradition above scripture, however, traditional Protestants still mantain tradition, it just doesn't override scripture.

4) The Church has defined certain dogmas such as the Trinity, Hypostatic Union, the Atonement, etc. Christians may or may not universally accept these.

5) It depends which Christians. In my personal form of Christianity, probably not much difference. Between traditional Christians and Gnostics, not much difference in practice, but in dogma yes. Gnostics also had the Eucharist, Baptism, etc.

6) Not many of Christian beliefs came from Judaism actually. You'd be surprised. Christianity is a surprisingly Gentile religion.

7) I'd say not many from Roman Paganism either. Christians do share something in common with Pagans in that we both have Monist views of God, and we also both venerate blessed ancestors and saints.

8) Quite a bit. From Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Paganism (Egyptian Paganism especially)

 

[prometheuspan]

) That Jesus was the messiah, spoken of by the prophets, and that his death somehow reconciles humans to God.

yes.

2) I'm not naming 20, I'll name the top 5 denoms, in order of highest adherants.

a. Roman Catholic
b. Eastern Orthodox
c. Anglicans/ Church of England
d. United Pentacostals
e. Mormons

great start, your showing others how to answer...

3) All except a and b splintered from Catholicism, because they felt Catholicism had strayed from Christianity by lifting tradition above scripture, however, traditional Protestants still mantain tradition, it just doesn't override scripture.

Good, but we want to be able to show a branching tree for the essenes forward.

4) The Church has defined certain dogmas such as the Trinity, Hypostatic Union, the Atonement, etc. Christians may or may not universally accept these.

Which denominations do and don't? Specifically?

5) It depends which Christians. In my personal form of Christianity, probably not much difference. Between traditional Christians and Gnostics, not much difference in practice, but in dogma yes. Gnostics also had the Eucharist, Baptism, etc.

okay, but we need to list the axioms and then show how each starts and evolves in order to come to that conclusion.

6) Not many of Christian beliefs came from Judaism actually. You'd be surprised. Christianity is a surprisingly Gentile religion.

Again, we need to pin down which ones came from there. Which axioms,
specifically? How many will be determined once we have full lists and count.

7) I'd say not many from Roman Paganism either. Christians do share something in common with Pagans in that we both have Monist views of God, and we also both venerate blessed ancestors and saints.

You'd be surprised, i think. but again, we need to list core axioms and determine points of origin and then count.

8) Quite a bit. From Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Paganism (Egyptian Paganism especially)

yes, i agree. So, specifically, which axioms?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Bear with me here. This will take quite a few posts.

Good, but we want to be able to show a branching tree for the essenes forward.

Well regarding Christianity's origins in the Essenes, the origin is likely that John the Baptist was an Essene, and Jesus was originally a disciple of John's. Christianity did get few practices from the Essenes like Baptism and Eucharist, but I don't know much beyond that.

 

[prometheuspan]

Bear with me here. This will take quite a few posts.

yes.. happyness...

Well regarding Christianity's origins in the Essenes, the origin is likely that John the Baptist was an Essene, and Jesus was originally a disciple of John's. Christianity did get few practices from the Essenes like Baptism and Eucharist, but I don't know much beyond that.

thats one of several possibilities but not my own pet theory.

Good job tho..

thanks for your thoughts!

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Which denominations do and don't? Specifically?

I'll use the 5 I listed, again.

A. Roman Catholics believe in the Trinity, under the model of homoousis, that the Father and Son are equal in power and glory. They believe in hypostatic union. They believe in the sacraments and the tradition of the church.

B. Eastern Orthodox believe in the Trinity, under the model of semi-homoousis, meaning that the Father and Son are part of the Godhead, but due to difference in roles, the Father is greater then the Son. They also believe in hypostatic union, sacraments, and tradition.

C. Anglicans believe in the Trinity, though not all Anglicans in the modern church. Anglicans are pretty liberal. Anglicans generally believe in hypostatic union, but again, not all Anglicans. Anglicans believe in the sacraments and a certain level of tradition. In addition to scripture and tradition they also emphasize reason, hence the right of each individual Christian to determine things in their personal walk.

D. United Pentacostals reject the Trinity, instead opting for the belief that Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. This is called Modalism. They believe in hypostatic union while Jesus was alive on earth, but not afterward. They believe Jesus became the Holy Spirit, switched modes. Pentacostals reject sacraments and tradition, and hold to a very literal interpretation of the Bible.

E. Mormons believe the Trinity, but they believe it's three gods in one unity. They believe Jesus is a lesser god to God the Father, and believe that gods have physical bodies like humans, so Jesus appeared on earth just as he'd look in his god form. They believe in the authority of the LDS Church to define dogmas, but generally reject traditional Christian dogmas and sacraments.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

okay, but we need to list the axioms and then show how each starts and evolves in order to come to that conclusion.

Gnosticism in practice was almost identical to Orthodox Christianity, but not in belief. They had a clergy, they had sacraments, they had a Trinity of sorts, calling the Holy Spirit the mother. They believed Baptism was a symbol, and that the Eucharist was a mystic joining to Christ, like real presence as opposed to transubstantiation. They believed the Christ was seperate from Jesus, who was merely a human being who obtained enlightenment. Like I said, in practice they are like Orthodox, but not in belief.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Again, we need to pin down which ones came from there. Which axioms,
specifically? How many will be determined once we have full lists and count.

Judaism and Christianity share a few core axioms, such as the belief in one God, but there's disagreement to the nature of God's oneness. They also both believe in the messiah, but they don't agree about who the messiah is. They also both share the OT as scriptures, though Christians read the OT differently and don't hold it on the same level authority Jews do. They both believe that humans are sinners in need of God's grace to forgive them. Jews believe you can ask God directly. Christians traditionally believe only through blood, but I as a Christian reject this view. I don't see Jesus' death like many Christians do. Besides that, there aren't many more similarities, except that Christians share a few Jewish practices, like Ash Wednesday, ashes on the head, and Pentecost.

 

[Thesavorofpan]

D. United Pentacostals reject the Trinity, instead opting for the belief that Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. This is called Modalism. They believe in hypostatic union while Jesus was alive on earth, but not afterward. They believe Jesus became the Holy Spirit, switched modes. Pentacostals reject sacraments and tradition, and hold to a very literal interpretation of the Bible.

Also somethings that make us a little bit different from the rest. We believe in the infilling of the Holy Ghost with speaking of other tongues. I do believe most denominations don't believe in that. Also there are some churches who say their Pentecostals who believe in the trinity. I can't spell Pentecostal ether, but the fifth letter in the word is an e and not an a.

 

[prometheuspan]

Also somethings that make us a little bit different from the rest. We believe in the infilling of the Holy Ghost with speaking of other tongues. I do believe most denominations don't believe in that. Also there are some churches who say their Pentecostals who believe in the trinity. I can't spell Pentecostal ether, but the fifth letter in the word is an e and not an a.

Apostolic Pentolcostal

hmm.. you may wish to reconcile those.

Yes, they are well known for embracing the dionysian mode amongst christian denominations.
:tribal::tribal:

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I have some Pentecostal family members. They're good folks. If I ever go to church with them, it's been awhile, I don't mind, I get out there and dance too. It's nice to break out of the tradition every once in awhile.

 

[prometheuspan]

hmmmmm.

 

[Thesavorofpan]

hmm.. you may wish to reconcile those.

Yes, they are well known for embracing the dionysian mode amongst christian denominations.
:tribal::tribal:

Oh snaps thanks for pointing that out to me

 

[Thesavorofpan]

hmmmmm.

Since I'm one maybe I can answer some of your questions.

 

[Mister Emu]

Which 20 christian denominations have the largest number of adherents?

Major World Christian Denominations, Rank, Size, Members, Adherents, Number Born Again; # in Christ's Congregation - Belief Bits.com

You can find the numbers there...

which 20 christian denominations could be objectively said to be the closest to
the Essenes and Yeshuas original movement?

The Catholic Church and Orthodox trace their lineages back the furthest.
So...

Catholic/Orthodox
Oriental Orthodox
Groups that can claim apostolic succession: Lutherans, Anglicans etc. "High" protestants
Groups that reject apostolic succession but accept the Nicene Creed
Groups that do not accept the Nicene Creed(Not Christian organisations any more, though the members may be individually)...

Yes, i have done that, but this is a socratic method thread.

Ahh... you are trying to teach something... Instead of being frank about it, you asked questions to which you claim to already know the answers... I though I was aiding someone who genuinely wanted to learn about the history of the Church...

No thanks...

 

[Thesavorofpan]

Groups that do not accept the Nicene Creed(Not Christian organisations any more, though the members may be individually)...


No thanks...

What do you mean where not Christians?