Christianity in the US projected to lose majority status by 2070

[ADigitalArtist]

Unfortunately theism necessarily organises it self in to religions, which can have both good and bad effects.
This can become large enough to have real power over entire populations. This can and does lead to wars and oppression.

I would agree that most theists are religious (although I think a not inconsiderable number of atheists are also religious outside the US) but not that theism requires it. Theism is just a belief that a god or gods exist. And you don't need a religion for that worldview.

And while I agree that religion has the power to be uniting and dividing, I think that extends to tribalism in general, which very few humans in the world do not internalize. And I think atheists in the US have overfucused on the dangers of religion and been blindsided by bigoted views popping up with no relation to religion but tribalism, nationalism, classism, purity politics, etc. Which is why we're seeing a huge spike in alt right, misogynist, homophobic 'skeptical' atheists.

 

[CharmingOwl]

I am honestly a bit surprised this would take so long. I guess this is why Christianity is always attempting to recruit people into their organization. I wonder what would possibly replace it if anything. I hope instead of a single spiritual tradition it's a bunch of small new religious movements coexisting so it's not necessarily a majority of anyone.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I am honestly a bit surprised this would take so long. I guess this is why Christianity is always attempting to recruit people into their organization. I wonder what would possibly replace it if anything. I hope instead of a single spiritual tradition it's a bunch of small new religious movements coexisting so it's not necessarily a majority of anyone.

I'm kinda wondering that myself. Christianity probably would fizzle in thirty years much less 2070.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Is it 2070 yet? ... unfortunately I'll be dead by the time this happens, and what will replace Christianity most likely will be agnosticism and atheism ... not a good alternative.

Why would the admission of not being able to know (agnosticism) or not accepting what can't be demonstrated (atheism) not be good alternatives?

Both seem to me much more honest, and potentially hopeful (because we'd then have to rely on ourselves and our own igenuity rather than "prayer"). That might help us finally learn how to really BE human.

 

[Viker]

(sarcasm alert)

(Sarcasm end notice)

If I were to live until then...... I would be 100 years old. I probably wouldn't notice.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

There's plenty of militant and intolerant atheists, look at the rise of communism and the Soviet Union.

Hence why it's important to say 'any view that's not militant and intolerant'.
I'm an atheist. That is really pretty meaningless in terms of 'am I a good person'.

It literally doesn't impact.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

This is also true of theism.

Yup, but people commonly act like atheism is a counterpoint to a specific religious belief (Islam or Christianity) than to theism.
Nuts, I know.

I've made the point many times that theism says almost nothing about what a person believes, just as atheism says almost nothing. But I don't appear to get much traction. Still get the 'atheism is a belief' thing. Atheists believe in all sorts of things, and those should all be judged on their merits.

 

[Heyo]

Yes, it's very odd that their projections all estimate that the trend will suddenly slow from its clear direction.

Here is an image of their projections, but where I've added the red line for what seems like the obvious trend that they inexplicably rejected:

[GALLERY=media, 9797]Pewstudy by AlexanderG posted Sep 28, 2022 at 2:56 PM[/GALLERY]

That's your selection bias showing. You extrapolate the trend starting about 2004. The lower Pew extrapolation starts with the trend from 1972. The other lines take saturation effects into account.

 

[sun rise]

Yup, but people commonly act like atheism is a counterpoint to a specific religious belief (Islam or Christianity) than to theism.
Nuts, I know.

I've made the point many times that theism says almost nothing about what a person believes, just as atheism says almost nothing. But I don't appear to get much traction. Still get the 'atheism is a belief' thing. Atheists believe in all sorts of things, and those should all be judged on their merits.

Personally I find it more interesting what people do believe in - in this case atheism versus secular humanism or nihilism or whatever.

 

[Stevicus]

One of the least secure trends is the US still existing in 2070.

I'm fairly certain that I won't exist in 2070.

 

[rational experiences]

Humans now Theists. Conscious awAre like a Theist. Think like scientists is our warning.

With God now O earth are babies our future but not our personal adult future. Wait a minute family is first we make believe they represent us now. And a future life.

All in one place elderly the adult the teenager child and baby.

Babies should live 100 years...should.

No guarantee it's just what human consciousness says first as a human theist.

Reason says....two adults origin human are now holy dust bodies own babies who die before they are born or when born.

Humans parents origin life type gone. As human sex does not guarantee human survival by population presence.

Advice human genetics by type is health and highest is natural are being removed.

Christian term in scientific thesis.

All babies baptised in Christ is origin life human water....mother's human birth waters over its head. Human holy baby birth.

Life returned from having been deceased. Is a baby. Christian rebirth. Human with God in nature first. Ceremony only was a ceremony.

The advice as messages in consciousness. Forewarned aware.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Personally I find it more interesting what people do believe in - in this case atheism versus secular humanism or nihilism or whatever.

I agree. Atheism is pretty boring in and of itself.
It's like 'Hey, what hobbies are you into?'
'Welp, I can tell you what I'm not into. Stamps. Not a fan of collecting stamps.'
'Erm...okay.'

 

[InChrist]

Pew Research Center, which is known for its non-partisan research on religion, has used statistical methods to project that by 2070 Christians will no longer be a majority in the U.S. They describe four possible scenarios and all of them predict a decline in Christianity. This all assumes that the statistical trends will continue. Do you think the trend will continue, or will something happen that reverses it?

Article here, no paywall. Modeling the Future of Religion in America

I think the church age is quickly coming to a close. Then comes Jacob’s trouble, otherwise known as the Great Tribulation period.

 

[rational experiences]

I think the church age is quickly coming to a close. Then comes Jacob’s trouble, otherwise known as the Great Tribulation period.

Man's American asteroid collision planet to planet. Theoried.

Equals always equals as equals in science. First place natural only.

Collisions is natural is first law.

Man's science was never first law machine only is fixed.

∆ _√ J...Jacobs ladder theory cornerstone projection from earth base. Trajectory....where will it hit?

Cosmic thesis Christ gas to star Satan gass fall.

Big planetoid I said already will come. In movie plots stated already that are a part of my own psychic warned realisations.

Planet mass carbon like a nuke will blow up in the hot star group but not scatter as a star.

Huge star planet masses will still hit earth.

Reasoned knew already....as his possession as a theist is coded and pre exists his belief that he invented the theory. As a man.

First law had first.

Visionary human mind advice told you ideas were transmitted by satans star fall first. Lied. As a star mass naturally disintegrates in space and dusts just fall away.

Man's earth nuclear dusts opens sin holes.

He knew already what he would cause. He proved he hoped it wouldnt come as the moon had...a planet. He hoped the mass would be small.

He knew. You allowed it.

 

[sun rise]

I think the church age is quickly coming to a close. Then comes Jacob’s trouble, otherwise known as the Great Tribulation period.

I agree with the first sentence.

 

[Heyo]

I'm fairly certain that I won't exist in 2070.

I'll be 108 then and probably a cyborg.

 

[rational experiences]

Men self possessed said reading from one book verbatim is evil.

Hit... ler next letter is leT knew you didn't listen.

As lots of books not verbatim allow self development..

He said ignore the bible. My one book verbatim using the bible.

Two testimonials shut meant no reading no design no science allowed....locked up in vault. Vault gods entombment so do not change it.

Where book belonged. Not researched.

No man is God...don't give God a name or DNA genesis will be destroyed nation by nation...gods fall from above O pressure. Coldest. Spirit gas.

So men read the last line verbatim...no man is God....begin again Naming all gods involved in life's destruction possessed. Named.

Ignore their own warning as their mans Future prediction given book advised moment...no man is god written point was in that future moment. Realised. Too late moment.

So today we are very close to the end.

As you've ignored every single spiritual psychic warning.

As a baby I was the human life future and the future. Twice in one experience.

I nearly died as a baby was heavenly saved as it was rash skin blood causes. Had father's mother's realisations given back in one life.

Father the human Theist of science mother human wasn't. The reason why I learnt. Don't lie said mother my whole life. Put soap on my tongue...don't lie. I didn't lie as I swore.

I cry in my own woman's status frustrated learnt and a hurt life. You man wont listen.

My brother cries for himself and his brother. Doesn't cry for our mother.

Jesus all the time.

We aren't Jesus. So stop Naming man's science only God for once and let your own natural truth speak for itself. Before it is too late.

I own about 40 years by family genetic history.

 

[Sedim Haba]

Pew Research Center, which is known for its non-partisan research on religion, has used statistical methods to project that by 2070 Christians will no longer be a majority in the U.S. They describe four possible scenarios and all of them predict a decline in Christianity. This all assumes that the statistical trends will continue. Do you think the trend will continue, or will something happen that reverses it?

Article here, no paywall. Modeling the Future of Religion in America

What would be more interesting would be the trends in percentage of fundamentalist
Xians Vs. liberal Xians. Since this article treats them all the same, it's value is limited.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I would agree that most theists are religious (although I think a not inconsiderable number of atheists are also religious outside the US) but not that theism requires it. Theism is just a belief that a god or gods exist. And you don't need a religion for that worldview.

And while I agree that religion has the power to be uniting and dividing, I think that extends to tribalism in general, which very few humans in the world do not internalize. And I think atheists in the US have overfucused on the dangers of religion and been blindsided by bigoted views popping up with no relation to religion but tribalism, nationalism, classism, purity politics, etc. Which is why we're seeing a huge spike in alt right, misogynist, homophobic 'skeptical' atheists.

I do not believe that to be true, I would suggest that those groups largely fit into the more extreme religious sectors.
Those who consider them selves atheists, are more likely to fit the liberal live and let live profile.
Atheists tend to be the least tribal of all, as they do not fit into any particular philosophy. They do not have a flag of their own to muster under.

For the larger part they are not even anti-religion, it hardly even registers on their world view at all, except when in its most extreme and dangerous.forms.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Pew Research Center, which is known for its non-partisan research on religion, has used statistical methods to project that by 2070 Christians will no longer be a majority in the U.S. They describe four possible scenarios and all of them predict a decline in Christianity. This all assumes that the statistical trends will continue. Do you think the trend will continue, or will something happen that reverses it?

Article here, no paywall. Modeling the Future of Religion in America

If we think of church attendance as a cycle we are at the side of the circle, neither at top nor bottom. There is a cycle which often is attributed (probably overly simplified) to poverty and wealth. I have heard some claim poverty drives church going. Today although the common middle class person is not doing as well as they were ten or twenty years ago, we are still doing Ok. We're not in the gutter. We can ignore our financials and live from day to day. We aren't going hungry, usually. At the same time there is a pope who is doing damage control, and there are protestant ministries doing damage control. At the same time we are seeing ministries that are creating damage. We are therefore seeing a downward trend but not a complete bottoming out.

Here's what happens historically in the middle ages: Christianity gets a bad name for itself, perhaps due to a bad pope or something. Simultaneously people are getting more wealthy and less interested in church. People stop going to church. Then poverty returns. A new pope starts trying to do damage control and fix the excesses or wrongs of the church. People start to go back to church again.

Things have changed, however, since the middle ages. I think though that what drives people back to Christ is the coldness they encounter in the world during times of poverty. It is this attitude of "I've got mine" and general fear that people have of the poor. Things get downright nasty, and the world goes to hell in a handbasket very quickly. That's when Christ shines the brightest with ideals of forgiveness and generosity. Those ideals appeal to people, and we start converting in piles.