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Christianity: the Stockholm Syndrome Writ Large

Skwim

Veteran Member
Note: This is not presented to denigrate Christianity or Christians, but comes from a revelation I had yesterday. about Christianity


Yesterday I was discussing the subject of what makes something worthy of worship in THIS thread. I was referencing the Christian religion when it seemed that what we were talking about had a familiar ring to it. A few hours later it dawned on me: Christianity seemed to be a form of a codified Stockholm Syndrome. WOW! I had never heard of this before and figured I had stumbled onto something new (I had not). For those not familiar with the Stockholm Syndrome here is a short explanation from Wikipedia.
"In psychology, Stockholm syndrome is a term used to describe a real paradoxical psychological phenomenon wherein hostages express empathy and have positive feelings towards their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness.
The syndrome is named after the Norrmalmstorg robbery of Kreditbanken at Norrmalmstorg in Stockholm, in which bank employees were held hostage from August 23 to August 28, 1973. In this case, the victims became emotionally attached to their captors, and even defended them after they were freed from their six-day ordeal."
So what is it about Christianity that brought the Stockholm Syndrome to mind? Well, bear with me here while I try to lay it out.

1) According to Christian belief god created everything.
2) He created people
3) God also created two afterlives for these people when they die, heaven and hell. Heaven is for those who do as he says, and hell for those who refuse to comply.

This, then, is the Stockholm hostage situation: Either do as god says or suffer the consequences.

Christians, wanting to avoid hell and garner a place in heaven, abide by god's demands, which include
Admit you are a sinner.

Believe In Jesus Christ as Lord

Follow the commandments of Jesus: 1) Love God with your whole heart, 2)Love your fellowmen like you love yourself.
(Depending on one's denomination there may be other or different requirements, but these appear to be the most common.)

So far then, we have an agent, god, who has set up a hostage situation (impending, everlasting hell) and the conditions by which one can escape (love god, believe in Jesus Christ, etc.).

Now, faced by someone promising to do them harm if they didn't do as they say, most people would at least regard such a person as the enemy. Christians, however, embrace this "person": god. They praise and adore him, and even worship this entity who has promised them eternal suffering if they don't do as he says. They bow their heads in thanks, praising him for giving them a way out of the trap he has set for them. They even defend his honor and greatness: none greater or more good, or more loving than this god. Never mind that he admittedly created evil, threatens, is jealous and possessive, misogynistic, and very controlling. This entity, so we are told, is the highest form of righteousness. Not that I'm quarreling with any of this, only that this is exactly how hostages turn from a logical hatred of their captor to having "empathy and positive feelings towards their captor, sometimes to the point of defending them": the Stockholm Syndrome.

And what other reason is there to have empathy and positive feelings, even love, towards this captor other than he promises no eternal suffering if one does as he says? I see nothing else. Yet this "paradoxical psychological phenomenon" has developed into several codified programs that seek to create the Stockholm syndrome in others. Even presenting it as a desirable condition.

This, then, appears to be how Christians have come to exist. Hostages to a captor they have decided to love because Christian Religions have convinced them this is desirable. But is it? Should people embrace the Stockholm Syndrome?


If I've missed something or have gone astray in my analysis here I'm quite willing to listen (this is all very new to me--only a day old---and I may have missed something important.

Thanks for hanging in there.
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IsmailaGodHasHeard

Well-Known Member
This post is very rude to Christians. Sure you can say that you meant no harm but harm is still done. I am a Christian for many reasons not just avoiding hell. I want a relationship with the only God in existence, and I have it. I am truly blessed.
 

Poisonshady313

Well-Known Member
This post is very rude to Christians. Sure you can say that you meant no harm but harm is still done. I am a Christian for many reasons not just avoiding hell. I want a relationship with the only God in existence, and I have it. I am truly blessed.
You might be special. In a good way.

However, many a thread on this and other forums of a religious nature often have Christians opening up with such questions as "How are you saved?"

Or perhaps, upon learning that a person isn't a Christian, that is the first question asked.

As if priority number 1 is "how to avoid hell".
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
We have to be scared into heaven?

AHHHH HA HA HA LOL LOL
Not have to be, but evidently are.


This post is very rude to Christians. Sure you can say that you meant no harm but harm is still done. I am a Christian for many reasons not just avoiding hell. I want a relationship with the only God in existence, and I have it. I am truly blessed.
How is it rude, and what harm have I done?
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I do not think that it is right to compare people's religion to a mental disorder. How would you like it if I did that with your beliefs?

I invite people to challenge my beliefs. If you're confident that your beliefs are sound and solid, then you should be able to refute criticism and scrutiny. If you're secure in your beliefs, then your emotions and ego wouldn't be so easily bruised.
 

linwood

Well-Known Member
I invite people to challenge my beliefs. If you're confident that your beliefs are sound and solid, then you should be able to refute criticism and scrutiny. If you're secure in your beliefs, then your emotions and ego wouldn't be so easily bruised.

That too.

:D
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
You compared my religion to a mental disorder. I am very offended.
Who said it was a mental disorder? It seems you're purposely creating a conclusion to jump to. The Stockholm Syndrome was referred to as a "psychological phenomenon," and a psychological phenomenon need not be a mental disorder at all.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
I invite people to challenge my beliefs. If you're confident that your beliefs are sound and solid, then you should be able to refute criticism and scrutiny. If you're secure in your beliefs, then your emotions and ego wouldn't be so easily bruised.
The problem is, many believers, and not just Christians, have only a superficial understanding of their beliefs. They no more look into the theology of their faith than they look under the hood of their car to see what makes it go. As I see it, the identity of Christianity with the Stockholm Syndrome lie not on the surface of the religion, but in its very foundation; its basic theology.
 
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ManTimeForgot

Temporally Challenged
I invite people to challenge my beliefs. If you're confident that your beliefs are sound and solid, then you should be able to refute criticism and scrutiny. If you're secure in your beliefs, then your emotions and ego wouldn't be so easily bruised.


Someone can be secure in their beliefs and have a sound ego and still be offended when insulted. If a perfect stranger walked up to me in the grocery store and for no apparent reason told me that I was a crass, credulous, disaffected loser with delusions of adequacy I wouldn't have to have any notions that the truth was being spoken to think that this person deserves a fist to the jaw.


There is a difference between comparing someone's belief system to a battered wife who defends their husband and comparing that same belief system to fear mongering and a cognitive dissonance. Same core concepts but without the connotation that the person deserves psychiatric treatment. Someone who purposefully ignores connotation and empathy is either a sociopath or a Class A jerk who doesn't deserve friends.

MTF
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Someone can be secure in their beliefs and have a sound ego and still be offended when insulted. If a perfect stranger walked up to me in the grocery store and for no apparent reason told me that I was a crass, credulous, disaffected loser with delusions of adequacy I wouldn't have to have any notions that the truth was being spoken to think that this person deserves a fist to the jaw.
You care that much what a "perfect stranger" thinks of you? Hmmm :sarcastic
 

jtartar

Well-Known Member
Note: This is not presented to denigrate Christianity or Christians, but comes from a revelation I had yesterday. about Christianity


Yesterday I was discussing the subject of what makes something worthy of worship in THIS thread. I was referencing the Christian religion when it seemed that what we were talking about had a familiar ring to it. A few hours later it dawned on me: Christianity seemed to be a form of a codified Stockholm Syndrome. WOW! I had never heard of this before and figured I had stumbled onto something new (I had not). For those not familiar with the Stockholm Syndrome here is a short explanation from Wikipedia.
"In psychology, Stockholm syndrome is a term used to describe a real paradoxical psychological phenomenon wherein hostages express empathy and have positive feelings towards their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness.
The syndrome is named after the Norrmalmstorg robbery of Kreditbanken at Norrmalmstorg in Stockholm, in which bank employees were held hostage from August 23 to August 28, 1973. In this case, the victims became emotionally attached to their captors, and even defended them after they were freed from their six-day ordeal."
So what is it about Christianity that brought the Stockholm Syndrome to mind? Well, bear with me here while I try to lay it out.

1) According to Christian belief god created everything.
2) He created people
3) God also created two afterlives for these people when they die, heaven and hell. Heaven is for those who do as he says, and hell for those who refuse to comply.

This, then, is the Stockholm hostage situation: Either do as god says or suffer the consequences.

Christians, wanting to avoid hell and garner a place in heaven, abide by god's demands, which include
Admit you are a sinner.

Believe In Jesus Christ as Lord

Follow the commandments of Jesus: 1) Love God with your whole heart, 2)Love your fellowmen like you love yourself.
(Depending on one's denomination there may be other or different requirements, but these appear to be the most common.)

So far then, we have an agent, god, who has set up a hostage situation (impending, everlasting hell) and the conditions by which one can escape (love god, believe in Jesus Christ, etc.).

Now, faced by someone promising to do them harm if they didn't do as they say, most people would at least regard such a person as the enemy. Christians, however, embrace this "person": god. They praise and adore him, and even worship this entity who has promised them eternal suffering if they don't do as he says. They bow their heads in thanks, praising him for giving them a way out of the trap he has set for them. They even defend his honor and greatness: none greater or more good, or more loving than this god. Never mind that he admittedly created evil, threatens, is jealous and possessive, misogynistic, and very controlling. This entity, so we are told, is the highest form of righteousness. Not that I'm quarreling with any of this, only that this is exactly how hostages turn from a logical hatred of their captor to having "empathy and positive feelings towards their captor, sometimes to the point of defending them": the Stockholm Syndrome.

And what other reason is there to have empathy and positive feelings, even love, towards this captor other than he promises no eternal suffering if one does as he says? I see nothing else. Yet this "paradoxical psychological phenomenon" has developed into several codified programs that seek to create the Stockholm syndrome in others. Even presenting it as a desirable condition.

This, then, appears to be how Christians have come to exist. Hostages to a captor they have decided to love because Christian Religions have convinced them this is desirable. But is it? Should people embrace the Stockholm Syndrome?


If I've missed something or have gone astray in my analysis here I'm quite willing to listen (this is all very new to me--only a day old---and I may have missed something important.

Thanks for hanging in there.
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Skwim,
Your point is pondered, now a counterpoint, Please.
When something unusual come into your mind that seems to answer a question that you were contemplating, it can be called an Epiphany, but ratiocinate on this point.
A man can only reason on something that he knows about. Since all of us are very limited in our knowledge, can we truely DOPE OUT certain truth, episteme???
Several things that you mentioned, that are beliefs in chrisendom, are untenable. The truth about heaven and hell are points that take quite some exegesis. At least some praecognita is required. Remember religion is one of just three professions called Learned Professions.
When you look at chrisendom today you see inconsistencies, seeming contradictions. The reeason for this is true Christianity is NOT displayed by todays churches. Christianity preaches PEACE, LOVE, GENEROSITY, and then mankind steals, bombs, kills, much in the name of religion. Consider though what the Bible says about this hypocrisy, Rom 2:23,24. Yes, people are blaming God for what men do, even though these actions are condemned by God. The Great NAME of God is being blasphemed because of the hypocrisy of the churches that are only NOMINAL CHRISTIANS. Do not condemn God, the Bible or true Christians, for what imposters are doing, 2Cor 11:12-15.
The Stockholm Syndrome has nothing to do with Christianity. One is a mistake of the mind, the other is being in the protective HANDS of the Almighty God. God's laws do not restrict a Christian but PROTECTS a Christian, for God does not make arbitrary laws, but all his laws for mankind are for our own good, Deut 10:12,13, Ps 32:8-10, Isa 48:17,18, 1John 5:4.
In a very short time God will send Jesus to rid the world of all who do not obey Jesus commands, 2Thes 1:6-9. God does not want to destroy anyone, but how can God turn this world into a paradise if there are people who will not obey, Rom 3:5,6, 2Pet 3:7,9,10-16. The Bible says there is only ONE religion that God accepts, Eph 4:3-6, Prov 2:1-9. If you sincerely look for God, He will let Himself be found by you, Prov 8:17
 

pwfaith

Active Member
This post is very rude to Christians. Sure you can say that you meant no harm but harm is still done. I am a Christian for many reasons not just avoiding hell. I want a relationship with the only God in existence, and I have it. I am truly blessed.


While I am not offended by the OP or anything, I tend to agree, I'm not a Christian to avoid hell. I became a Christian b/c I recognized the wrongdoing in my life and wanted to have a relationship with God, which could not happen with the wall I had built with sin in my life. God has not "captured" me, I came to him willingly and asked to be a part of His family. Through his grace and my faith in Jesus Christ's death & resurrection, he adopted me into his family. I don't get the connection b/c 1) God is not my captor, 2) God has NEVER put me in danger or harms way, 3) and since there has never been ANY abuse from God, a lack of cannot be considered what is kind. God is kind and does show me kindness, love, mercy, discipline, and acceptance like a good father would do, not a capture. The problem with the OP is that most Christians don't accept due to a fear of hell, they accept due to a "fear" (awe, reverence) of God and a sense of humility when they look honestly at themselves.
 
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