Christianity Today article regarding Trump impeachment.

[sooda]

Hey @sooda , Thanks for bringing the thread back on the rails.

Mike Pence's Family Business Is Still in the Indiana Soil, Literally It's a classic Midwestern story of poison threatening the drinking water supply. By Charles P. Pierce
Mike Pence's Family Business Is Costing the Taxpayers ...

Mike Pence's Family Business Is Costing the Taxpayers Because of Pollution Clean Up

 

[sooda]

Look at his record in Indiana. You sorely under estimate him if you think he's a mere "incompetent boob."
And quit worrying? Pence has already fought against my rights once. The only reassurance i have is that i live in California now and he can't revoke my rights again. But thats one state. He can go after those in many more.

Pence was despised in Indiana. They were glad to see him go to Washington.

Mike Pence's Family Business Is Still in the Indiana Soil, Literally It's a classic Midwestern story of poison threatening the drinking water supply. By Charles P. Pierce

Mike Pence's Family Business Is Costing the Taxpayers ...

Mike Pence's Family Business Is Costing the Taxpayers Because of Pollution Clean Up​

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Pence was despised in Indiana.

Is that why TONS of Hoosiers were excited for him to be VP? (i did live in that state until just over a year ago)

 

[fantome profane]

Sadly, Pence would be a better temporary president

Pence sure made a mess in his home state. His family business cost the tax payers tens of millions to clean up old leaking gas tanks at all the gas stations his family owned. He is an incompetent boob especially when it comes to environmental issues.

I do not want a theocrat for president, and I would force Trump to remain in office at gun point of need be. Don't forget, Trump being removed from office will mean a president who has fought to baulk, hinder, deny, and revoke LGBT rights (he did fight to keep same sex marriage out of Indiana even after the Supreme Court did legalize it). Women's rights and health care as well may be compromised and jeopardize.
Trump must remain in office least we risk going back to school prayers, have an increase in laws based on conservative Christianity, and public schools teaching kids condoms don't work in their health class and the earth is 6000 years old in their science class. He must not be allowed in.

Quit worrying. Pence is an incompetent boob.

In the incredibly unlikely event that Trump is removed Pence would be President for less than a year, maybe even only a few months. And he would have a Democrat house to deal with. And he would be facing primaries and then the election.

I am not saying Pence is not a horrible human being, the there is not much he could do.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I am not saying Pence is not a horrible human being, the there is not much he could do.

He can rally the Evangelical base to get him in 2020. He can attempto to do, it would likely fail, but then campaign on being able to achieve with a Rep congress if he's given that.

 

[sooda]

In the incredibly unlikely event that Trump is removed Pence would be President for less than a year, maybe even only a few months. And he would have a Democrat house to deal with. And he would be facing primaries and then the election.

I am not saying Pence is not a horrible human being, the there is not much he could do.

I agree...….

 

[Jesuslightoftheworld]

OK, so I must admit that I was surprised by this (pleasantly surprised). Thoughts?

Trump Should Be Removed from Office

I voted for Trump because the alternative (Hilary Clinton) was not an option. I consider myself conservative. A lot of people think that Trump is bad for America, but what is scarier is the liberal millennial socialists. That will destroy the government even faster; a three ring circus! Hang on it’s going to be an interesting four years.

 

[Jesuslightoftheworld]

Define "real Christian" please. Is there a particular denomination that owns that title?

Nope. For me the Apostle’s Creed explains it for me. “The holy Catholic Church” has been replaced with “the holy Christian Church.”

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth;

And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord;
who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried.
He descended into hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father almighty.
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Ghost,
the holy Christian Church*,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.

 

[sooda]

Nope. For me the Apostle’s Creed explains it for me. “The holy Catholic Church” has been replaced with “the holy Christian Church.”

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth;

And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord;
who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried.
He descended into hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father almighty.
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Ghost,
the holy Christian Church*,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.

Jeeez. Holy Catholic church mans the universal church NOT the Roman Catholic Church.

The holy catholic church - Apostles Creed
apostles-creed.org/interpretation/the-holy-catholic-church
The Roman Catholic church is the particular church located in Rome. It is a PART of the catholic church and not THE catholic church. Also, Israel is not the church. Nor is the Church the “New Israel.” The church did not replace the nation of Israel either. More about this can be read in my article on “Why the Church is catholic or universal.“

The word catholic is an accurate name for the Christian church. It simply means “universal.” The Christian church is universal in that there is not one nation that the church belongs to; but, all the nations of the world. The Westminster Confession of Faith states this well.

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The holy catholic church - Apostles Creed

 

[David1967]

I voted for Trump because the alternative (Hilary Clinton) was not an option.

I suspect this was the case with many who held their nose and voted for Trump. Never in my life have I seen two such unlikable candidates to choose from for president.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

He can rally the Evangelical base to get him in 2020. He can attempt to do, it would likely fail, but then campaign on being able to achieve with a Rep congress if he's given that.

I recall that when Reagan was running for office that he did pay ' lip service ' to the Evangelical base.
They heard his voice about a moral social agenda and helped vote him into office. Then they found out otherwise.

Times are different now, and the political will be turning on the religious world.
Since Christendom (so-called Christian) plays false, then she will be the first to go.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Times are different now, and the political will be turning on the religious world.

That's wonderful. People who do not believe as you should never be expected, legally or otherwise, live up to your religious dogma, rules, and policies.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I suspect this was the case with many who held their nose and voted for Trump. Never in my life have I seen two such unlikable candidates to choose from for president.

I voted against the possibility of Pence siezing the White House. Pretty much why I even voted in that race.

 

[columbus]

I believe you. The only reason (IMHO) that he claimed Christianity was to secure a powerful voting block. Good strategy in that it worked.

The ironic part was how quickly evangelical voters dumped their values and glomped onto the poster boy for lust, greed, deceit, and deception.

And it wasn't like they were being forced to choose between a pro-feticide rights girl president and Trump. This started swinging while Cruz and Kasich were still viable Republican candidates. I remember when Trump swept the Indiana primary, despite the efforts of the GOP towards Cruz.
Tom

 

[sooda]

I voted for Trump because the alternative (Hilary Clinton) was not an option. I consider myself conservative. A lot of people think that Trump is bad for America, but what is scarier is the liberal millennial socialists. That will destroy the government even faster; a three ring circus! Hang on it’s going to be an interesting four years.

You might want to check the definition of socialism..

 

[sooda]

The ironic part was how quickly evangelical voters dumped their values and glomped onto the poster boy for lust, greed, deceit, and deception.

And it wasn't like they were being forced to choose between a pro-feticide rights girl president and Trump. This started swinging while Cruz and Kasich were still viable Republican candidates. I remember when Trump swept the Indiana primary, despite the efforts of the GOP towards Cruz.
Tom

The values of Evangelical voters have always been questionable.

Dominionists want a theocracy.. forget civil rights or the Constitution.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

That's wonderful. People who do not believe as you should never be expected, legally or otherwise, live up to your religious dogma, rules, and policies.

Scripture says it is the 'wicked' who will be destroyed forever. (Psalm 92:7)
Kind of like if you had a beautiful house and it became infested with rats, one would not expect to get rid of the beautiful house but to get rid of the rats.
So, it is those who bring ruin to earth they will be brought to ruin. (Rev. 11:18 B)
Our house Earth was created for upright people who would Not bring harm to others or to Earth.
So, at the coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth No one righteous will be harmed. (Matt.24:31-33,37)

Once the political world turns on the religious world, how many will then want to disassociate from their affiliation.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Scripture says it is the 'wicked' who will be destroyed forever. (Psalm 92:7)
Kind of like if you had a beautiful house and it became infested with rats, one would not expect to get rid of the beautiful house but to get rid of the rats.
So, it is those who bring ruin to earth they will be brought to ruin. (Rev. 11:18 B)
Our house Earth was created for upright people who would Not bring harm to others or to Earth.
So, at the coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth No one righteous will be harmed. (Matt.24:31-33,37)

Once the political world turns on the religious world, how many will then want to disassociate from their affiliation.

Yeah. See, that stuff is only important and only matters if you actually believe in it. The rest of us should never be expected to to follow it. Keeping the church out of the state is really best for us all, just as is not allowing religion to have special privileges and exemptions just for being religious. They can play be the same rules ad everybody else.

 

[sooda]

Yeah. See, that stuff is only important and only matters if you actually believe in it. The rest of us should never be expected to to follow it.

Keeping the church out of the state is really best for us all, just as is not allowing religion to have special privileges and exemptions just for being religious. They can play be the same rules ad everybody else.

Amen.

 

[metis]

Frankly, one can believe in Trump or believe in Jesus but one cannot truly believe in both.