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I say quite the opposite, I love reading the gospels, Paul puts me to sleep.
Ridiculous as it seems, without "Josephus" they would be no "Christianity"
and no "Gospels", because most of the "Gospels" derive its historical context
from his Antiquities, War of the Jews, Against Apion and his Vita.
--(All this Information is all in Josephus' writings)--
Josephus :- Child prodigy around age 12
Josephus :- Baptized by Banus(John) the Essene
Josephus :- Time in Desert
Josephus :- 12 Disciples
Josephus :- 70 other Disciples
Josephus :- Begins his Administration of Galilee around aged 30
Josephus :- (believed to have)Died and Resurrected (Miraculous recovery)
Josephus :- Son of God (Adopted by Caesar) (Caesar = God)
Josephus :- Prophet / Savior
Josephus :- Went to Rome [Heaven]
Josephus :- morphed as Paul (FLAVIUS/PAVLIUS) //anagram//
Josephus :- Tell Jews to await Kingdom of Heaven (Rome)
Josephus :- Anti-Circumcision
Josephus :- Shipwrecked on voyage to Rome like Paul
Josephus :- Switch to First-Third Person like Paul
Josephus :- Nazarene (Nazareth literally means "Uncut Hair")
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But I really don't care to much to argue. Your just the first person to say such.
How can he be trained by Rabbi "Gamalial" yet no Jewish Record of it. if he was trained by "Gamalial" would that not make him a Rabbi and of the Sanhedrin as well as a Pharisee ?? Only person i could think of is Flavius Josephus
According to Flavius Josephus, Gamalial had two children Simon and Jesus.
-(Flavius)- FLAVIVS / PLAVIVS / PAVLIVS -(Paul)-
Christianity without Flavius Josephus
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/autobiog.htm
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At "about fourteen years of age," he (Josephus) was commanded by all
for the love I had to learning (Vita 9)
When Jesus was twelve years old his parents found him after three days in
the Temple conversing with the teachers (Mat 2.46)
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12 Jews of Caesaria are sent as a delegation to Ecbatana (Vita 54-55)
Jesus appoints and sends out 12 apostles to preach and heal (Mat.10.2,5)
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70 messengers are sent from Ecbatana to Caesarea (Vita 56)
Jesus appointed 70 others and sent them ahead of him (Luke 10.1)
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During this time, before his purported surrender to the Romans, "I
was now about thirty years old" (Vita 80)
Jesus commenced his ministry when he was 30 years of age (Luke 3.23)
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Josephus’ quarters were in a Galilean village named Cana (Vita 86)
Jesus attended a wedding in Cana (John 2.1-2) then came to Cana
again (John 4.46)
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Josephus told his friends that "in three days time" he would "quit the
district and go home" (Vita 205)
Jesus prophecies he will be raised up on the third day (Mat. 16.21)
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Jesus, chief magistrate of Tiberias, accuses Josephus of embezzling 20
pieces of gold (Vita 294-297). They laid hands on him and attempted to
kill him (Vita 302)
But if the ox have killed a man-servant, or a maid-servant, let him be stoned; and let the owner of the ox pay thirty shekels to the master of him that was slain; (Ant IV 36)
Judas goes to the priests and obtains 30 pieces of silver for betraying Jesus
(Mat. 26.14-16)
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Josephus notices three of his acquaintances had been crucified, so he
entreats Titus to take them down; two of them die but one recovers (Vita 420-421)
Two robbers were crucified on either side of Jesus (Mat. 18.38).
When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple (Mat 27:57)
He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered. (Mat 27:58) And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth (Mat 27:59 ) Only Jesus
rises (Mat. 28.6)
-------Josephus' Attributes-------------
1. A Prophet
2. Child Prodigy around Age 12
22. Baptized, Essene, unshaven hair
3. Tells Jews to Save themselves
4. His own Resurrection Account
5. 12 Disciples
6. 70 Additional Disciples
7. Begins Ministry at Age 30
8. Attends wedding in Cana, Galilee
9. Betraying using Money
10. 3 Crucified , 1 Survived
11. Son of God
12. He speaks of the "skill" of expelling demons.
13. He is the first to speak of a "laser root,"
14. He perpetuates the idea of "signs" and omens
15. The idea of "Ghosts
16. The idea of "Angels.
17. Evil Spirits and Demons.
18. Fortune Tellers and "Mediums
19. Prophets telling the future and showing "signs", wonders and miracles
20. The idea of "Witches
21. saying of "Grace
22. He deliberately misspells the word “stone” as “son” to infer “the Son (of God),” i.e. “Jesus” is coming!!!
23. First Person to Mention John The Baptist/James/Jesus
24. He Speaks of the Idea of Sin and Hell
25. Son of Mary as a Passover Lamb
26. Legion @ Galilee
27. Speaks of Romans Decapitating Fishermen in Galilee
28. "Why Have you Forsaken Me"
29. Legion of 2000 Demons
30. Martyr Death of Simon, Spares Jesus
31. Signs Before Destruction of Temple.
32. Mount of Olives
33. Simon's Denials
34. Naked Jew
35. Simon the Rock
36. Josephus' copied his own name sake of Joseph of Genesis (mirror image of Jesus)
37. Plays same role as Joseph of Arimathea
38. His son Titus Justus makes an appearance in Acts
39. Book of Acts/Luke as similar opening address with his Vita, Against Apion and Antiquities.
40. First person to mention Christ
41. Adopted by Titus (a.k.a Son of God)
42. Paul' Journey and Josephus' Journey
43. Gospels are dependent of his Work
44. Luke/Acts used his histories
Now we know who created Christianity
Did you sort through the writing in the link you posted and arrange these lists yourself, Rhadamanthus? Or did you copy the lists from another site?
All my own research, most is written on txts Document ready for a book, I have countless amounts of Similarities
According to Flavius Josephus, Gamalial had two children Simon and Jesus.
to [38]Simon, the son of Gamaliel, (16) in order to persuade him to induce the commonalty of Jerusalem to take from me the government over the Galileans, and to give their suffrages for conferring that authority upon him. This Simon was of the city of Jerusalem, and of a very noble family of the sect of the Pharisees, which are supposed to excel others in the accurate knowledge of the laws of their country. He was a man of great wisdom and reason, and capable of restoring public affairs by his prudence, when they were in an ill posture. He was also an old friend and companion of John; but at that time he had a difference with me. When therefore he had received such an exhortation, he persuaded the high priests, Ananus, and Jesus the son of Gamala,
Impressive. :yes:
One thing: (and please don't be insulted by the suggestion. It's bound to come up at some point anyway) you might want to add the number of each verse at the end of each item on your list. It would make cross-checking a lot easier.
Also, there seems to be a mistake in the second sentence of the opening to your lists:
you said:
The site you linked to says:
Wikipedia also says that Gamaliel only had one son, Simon.
Can we leave Josephus out of this? How about you open a new thread, this thread is about Paul.
Although, isn't is true to say that Judaism was also influenced by Hellenistic thought as well?
So that's where that thread went. I was wondering.
What would the "Christian" religion be without Paul's epistles?
What would the "Christian" religion be without Paul's epistles?
A Judaic Renewal? Remembering WHY we engage in the law instead of getting lost in doing it, perhaps?