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ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
just had a thought. Why can't we make fun of religions?

No one said you could not make fun of religions, but that is was not very kind to go to the place where they worship and make fun of them. This will sound pretty idiotic, but I must say it-- Humor is only humorous to those who find it funny. So instead of making fun of a bunch of people to their face then why don't you find your friends who feel the same as you do and do it there. That way you can still laugh your head off and maybe the others around you will laugh, too. I don't know about you, but I would rather laugh when other people are laughing, too.

P. S. I was bullied, too and made fun of as a child (because of a slight overbite.) I don't use it as an excuse to hurt people's feelings in the name of humor.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
First this last post. The people around you don't matter except if they have a positive effect on you.
And why people are stupid, I had an article written but I pressed back or something and it all got erased so here we go again.
I live in Iceland, electricity is as close to free as you can get, and not to mention green(environmentally friendly). But you hardly see any electric cars on the roads, but loads of SUVs with only a single passenger, that is stupid to me. And people act like idiots on the streets as well.
Then there is the rat race. Everybody is so fudging caught up in having a big car and a big house that nobody is paying any attention to the kids. They have nobody telling them how to behave so they act like idiots as well and this breeds a whole new generation of idiots. I was teased a lot when I was a child by kids who had some problems, probably some of them because of exactly this. Well, I've almost made a full recovery by now but I suppose I never will fully. And I'm not alone, this affects many people, just because people are too fudging stupid to raise their kids properly.
These are just two examples off the top of my head. Much of it is just my perception of my surroundings.
Hope this grants you some insight to why I say this.

Ah, so everyone else is to blame because you were picked on as a kid? All the stupid people, stupid parents and their stupid kids, stupid religious people that didn't help you, stupid this, stupid that, everything's stupid except, magically, you...
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Thing is, I don't know any intelligent people who are religious. Which makes sense to me, which is probably why I wanted to laugh. And here in Iceland no-one(I hope I don't need to explain I'm generalizing) is very passionate about religion so I knew they wouldn't mind terribly.
You have met more than one here.
Also, I frequently chat online with a Druid who lives in Iceland. So in my perception of reality from my own experience, Iceland citizens are 50/50. And I am assuming you were at a church in Iceland, so there are more people than a generalized 'no one' that takes religion seriously.

You seem to me to be intolerant of religion, rather than ignorance. Ignorance is actually not a bad thing, for we are all ignorant of more subjects than we are enlightened in. It is when you willfully allow this ignorance to persist and refuse to learn so you are no longer ignorant of a subject is when it becomes stupidity, and there is nothing wrong with being intolerant of that. I know quite a few people who claim stupidity is the only sin.

I just had a thought. Why can't we make fun of religions? If every single person in the world except me would start believing in elves I couldn't make fun of them? Just because there is too many of them? Nobody would find it funny but as I've already addressed it doesn't matter =)
Everybody seems to be way too caught up in being PC. Which is one of the worst words in my vocabulary.
Sincerely, your friendly neighborhood agnostic(that's the anti-religion one right?).
You can indeed make fun of religion, but being a religious forum, this is not the place for it.
And myself, I am the most anti-PC person alive, yet even I realize there does exist a difference between being polite, politically correct, and rudeness. Making fun of another's religion, especially at there own establishment of worship is of the utmost rudeness.

And FYI, an agnostic is one who is undecided about religion/spirituality. The briefest definition is one who is undecided, swaying either way towards theism or atheism.
Allthough not specifically meaning 'anti-religious' the term 'atheist' means one who does not believe in any form of gods, spirits, etc.

And I don't want any pity because of being bullied, that's just as silly as religion
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I too was picked on alot as a kid. So much in fact that my mom pulled me out of public school and enrolled me in a home/private school. However, I realize when the appropriate times for certain actions are permissible. Ridiculing someone's religion is usually reserved for one-on-one encounters, such as door-to-door missionaries. But even then, showing them respect and dignity will go much further than blatantly rude and hateful remarks, and will sometimes get them to stop coming around much quicker. Unless you engage in an intellectual debate of the religion in question, and you need to know ALOT about said religion, and have the confidence that you do know more than the person you are debating, then it is best to leave it civil.
Also, some religions are dumb, greedy, and encourage stupidity, but nevertheless, I have seen both the best and worst of man in the name of religion. But calling it silly undermines the massive positive contributions that have been made in the name of religion. It has also been suggested that some people do indeed psychologically function better with religion.

People around you matter regardless of a positive or negative effect on you.
This is very true. You love and cherish those who make a positive effect, and try not to anger those who can have a negative effect, especially when it can be to a severe degree.
However, you can learn stuff from everyone, from the most qualified of scientist, down to the lowest of church goers whose only hope is a peaceful life in Heaven.
 

McBell

Unbound
Ah, so everyone else is to blame because you were picked on as a kid? All the stupid people, stupid parents and their stupid kids, stupid religious people that didn't help you, stupid this, stupid that, everything's stupid except, magically, you...
i tend to agree with him.
At least generally.
Stupidity breeds more stupidity.
Especially if it is tolerated and even more so when it is defended.
However, I also agree with you, that it seems he has fallen into the 'everyone is stupid but me' trap.

Interestingly enough, I find all manner of things stupid, but I understand that stupidity is subjective.

Now I do not want anyone to think that I believe ignorance is a bad thing.
One cannot expect someone to know something they were never taught or exposed to.
However, willful ignorance is something that I believe should not be tolerated at all and those who practice it and especially those who defend it are merely adding to the problem.
 

Darkness

Psychoanalyst/Marxist
I find most religious ceremonies to be beautiful. The Catholic Mass is moving and powerful.
 

McBell

Unbound
I find most religious ceremonies to be beautiful. The Catholic Mass is moving and powerful.
It is my opinion that one does not have to agree with the reasoning of the ceremony to appreciate the beauty of it.

So we are in agreement here.
 

Sonic247

Well-Known Member
I think it's going to far to say that all religious folk are unintelligent, however in Christianity as the Bible says- not many strong, not many noble, not many wise men after the flesh (for the wisdom of man is foolishness with God) and that doesn't really bother me because it's not about man's accomplishments but God's mercy.

Besides that alot of people who think they are smart acctually end up saying some of the dumbest things, so even if you are smart humility goes a long way in preserving it, intelligence is not a constant thing, a person can become more or less intelligent as there life goes on, and as far as I can tell even at diffrent times of the day. For instance someone may do something unintelligent once they're drunk that they wouldn't do a few hours ago.
 

Sonic247

Well-Known Member
It's true what he said about people neglecting their kids, it's not always for cars and houses and stuff though, it could be anything. Sometimes it's just to party. Well anyway I think family should be really important, to the extent that even the pastor of a church should put his family before his job. I hope one day this ugly guy gets married and has a good family.
 

dvergur

Mathematician in making
Ah, so everyone else is to blame because you were picked on as a kid? All the stupid people, stupid parents and their stupid kids, stupid religious people that didn't help you, stupid this, stupid that, everything's stupid except, magically, you...
First off, I'm pretty sure it wasn't my fault. And I try not being stupid by actively making good decisions.
And in my books it is ignorant to believe something without any evidence. I know they did it pretty well, the "you just need to trust us" approach is working pretty well.
And am I the ugly guy from the last post? ;) Yeah, I hope so as well.
And I suppose I can agree that the ceremonies would be beautiful if they weren't overshadowed by their motives.
Lastly, when I talk about ignorance I'm not talking about knowledge but rather rationality, I may have misused this word but I'll hereby correct it.
 

McBell

Unbound
First off, I'm pretty sure it wasn't my fault. And I try not being stupid by actively making good decisions.
And in my books it is ignorant to believe something without any evidence. I know they did it pretty well, the "you just need to trust us" approach is working pretty well.
And am I the ugly guy from the last post? ;) Yeah, I hope so as well.
And I suppose I can agree that the ceremonies would be beautiful if they weren't overshadowed by their motives.
Lastly, when I talk about ignorance I'm not talking about knowledge but rather rationality, I may have misused this word but I'll hereby correct it.
Define "evidence"

Seems to me that evidence is subjective.
If this is true, then you would be more correct in stating that believing in something that you see no evidence for is something you consider to be ignorant.
 

dvergur

Mathematician in making
Yeah, I'll go with that, not that I see much of a difference. Maybe I should define evidence... something that can be verified by scientific methods or follows laws and theories accepted by most of the scientific community? It's not bulletproof yet but I'll work on it =)
And I don't believe I did say that all religious types were unintelligent because it seems as amazingly some of them aren't... which baffles me. I suppose they have their reasons.
 

McBell

Unbound
Yeah, I'll go with that, not that I see much of a difference. Maybe I should define evidence... something that can be verified by scientific methods or follows laws and theories accepted by most of the scientific community? It's not bulletproof yet but I'll work on it =)
And I don't believe I did say that all religious types were unintelligent because it seems as amazingly some of them aren't... which baffles me. I suppose they have their reasons.
In all honesty, and I hope you do not mind me being blunt here, you seem to be in a box and needs to get out more.
 

dvergur

Mathematician in making
Of course I don't. I am, so I'd be a hypocrite if I would. And maybe you are right.
And regarding that everybody has an effect on you. They only do if you let them. That's how you can let only the positive ones affect you. And I suppose that's why I say what I do, if it hurts it says more about you than me. Why would you care if some ugly kid in a box says your ceremonies are silly if you don't think so?
And how about this, from now on I don't say what I think, just what I think you will want to hear? And I just won't laugh at all.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
Of course I don't. I am, so I'd be a hypocrite if I would. And maybe you are right.
And regarding that everybody has an effect on you. They only do if you let them. That's how you can let only the positive ones affect you. And I suppose that's why I say what I do, if it hurts it says more about you than me. Why would you care if some ugly kid in a box says your ceremonies are silly if you don't think so?
And how about this, from now on I don't say what I think, just what I think you will want to hear? And I just won't laugh at all.

If you are referring to my remark it is that everyone around you matters. Not the effect that have on you. You are also being logically inconsistent. If only positive people are important you are leaving yourself out by giving nothing more than a negative statement.

As far as the part I highlighted. Don't. I don't let popularity stop me from saying what I wish. I certainly wouldn't expect it of anyone else.
 

McBell

Unbound
And how about this, from now on I don't say what I think, just what I think you will want to hear? And I just won't laugh at all.
My own personal experience has been that most of the time it is not so much what you think, but how you present it.
 

dvergur

Mathematician in making
I'm just saying they only affect you if you let them. If someone says something that has a negative affect on me I just disregard them, wish I had started earlier :)
 
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