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Christians: about Hitler…

an anarchist

Your local loco.
Hello Christian, there’s a hypothetical I wanted to pose to you today.

What if Hitler didn’t kill himself - and became a repentant Christian after the war? Would he be forgiven by God?

I recall hearing in church that God’s mercy is eternal. So eternal that He sent His son to die for the sin of all mankind. If this is true, then it would have been possible for Hitler to have been forgiven, right?
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
Only God knows the answer to that question; and God ain't telling, as my old dad would say.

However, in John Milton's Paradise Lost, even Satan has the opportunity to repent, and all eternity in which to do so. This requires him to sincerely and humbly take the knee before God, which his pride will not allow him to do.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
Hello Christian, there’s a hypothetical I wanted to pose to you today.

What if Hitler didn’t kill himself - and became a repentant Christian after the war? Would he be forgiven by God?

I recall hearing in church that God’s mercy is eternal. So eternal that He sent His son to die for the sin of all mankind. If this is true, then it would have been possible for Hitler to have been forgiven, right?

God can forgive the worst of sinners.
Why ask Christians?
Ask a Hindu.
In Hinduism God is Hitler and has forgotten that he is God who is just having a game with this reality to alleviate the boredom and in the end will be enlightened and join back into God, along with the plants and insects and rocks who are also part of God and eventually need to go through Karma and rebirth and hopefully graduate to a higher plane of existence and unite again with Brahman (I think).
And if the universe ends before all that plays out, who cares, everything just goes back to God and I guess after a while he gets bored again and the same thing happens because he likes this game. Or something like that.
But that is all just a man made philosophy.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Hello Christian, there’s a hypothetical

I recall hearing in church that God’s mercy is eternal. So eternal that He sent His son to die for the sin of all mankind. If this is true, then it would have been possible for Hitler to have been forgiven, right?
I don't believe in this theological interpretation.
There is Light and Darkness. Love and absence of Love.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Hello Christian, there’s a hypothetical I wanted to pose to you today.

What if Hitler didn’t kill himself - and became a repentant Christian after the war? Would he be forgiven by God?

I recall hearing in church that God’s mercy is eternal. So eternal that He sent His son to die for the sin of all mankind. If this is true, then it would have been possible for Hitler to have been forgiven, right?
Its not God that has trouble forgiving. People have trouble forgiving. Some things are just too hard to forgive.

Suppose you crap on every porch in your town, but God forgives you. How are you going to re connect with all of your neighbors? Why would they feel safe letting you live near to them?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Hello Christian, there’s a hypothetical I wanted to pose to you today.

What if Hitler didn’t kill himself - and became a repentant Christian after the war? Would he be forgiven by God?

I recall hearing in church that God’s mercy is eternal. So eternal that He sent His son to die for the sin of all mankind. If this is true, then it would have been possible for Hitler to have been forgiven, right?
Why the question?

IMV, it isn't Hitler that I really need to be concerned about but rather myself.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
Hello Christian, there’s a hypothetical I wanted to pose to you today.

What if Hitler didn’t kill himself - and became a repentant Christian after the war? Would he be forgiven by God?

I recall hearing in church that God’s mercy is eternal. So eternal that He sent His son to die for the sin of all mankind. If this is true, then it would have been possible for Hitler to have been forgiven, right?
Great question

My personal view is:
God's Grace is always available
Forgive yourself is difficult for many
Especially for Hitler like creations
1) God is beyond judgment
2) Dharma helps those who uphold Dharma
3) Good begets good

So, sure
IF Hitler became repentant
THEN He would have been forgiven

From Christian POV
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
In Hinduism God is Hitler and has forgotten that he is God who is just having a game with this reality to alleviate the boredom and in the end will be enlightened and join back into God, along with the plants and insects and rocks who are also part of God and eventually need to go through Karma and rebirth and hopefully graduate to a higher plane of existence and unite again with Brahman (I think).
Almost correct, but well phrased (last 2 words)
Still a huge misconception about Hinduism


God is Hitler (misconception)
Hitler is God (you feel the difference?)
 
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stvdv

Veteran Member
I don't believe in this theological interpretation.
There is Light and Darkness. Love and absence of Love.
Love is God?

Can there be absence of Love?
Can there be absence of God?

Note: I remember an anecdote that a Muslim wanted to be buried facing God, so facing Mekka. A Saint corrected Him on this:)
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Love is God?

Can there be absence of Love?
Can there be absence of God?

Note: I remember an anecdote that a Muslim wanted to be buried facing God, so facing Mekka. A Saint corrected Him on this:)
What I meant that only God can judge...but I believe in an afterlife made up of Love.
In that afterlife there is no murder, treason, genocide.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
What I meant that only God can judge...but I believe in an afterlife made up of Love.
In that afterlife there is no murder, treason, genocide.
Seems nice your afterlife
I rather have your afterlife in this life

That's very much possible from Hindu POV
 

Rachel Rugelach

Shalom, y'all.
Staff member
I know you asked this question of Christians but, since I see there have been a couple of non-Christian responses here already, I will be so bold as to give a Jewish perspective on Hitler and forgiveness.

In Judaism, it is said that forgiveness for wrongs done to someone can only be given by the one who had been wronged. The Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust under Hitler's direction would not be able to forgive Hitler were he still alive. The dead can't render forgiveness.

That doesn't mean that Jews don't believe in a forgiving God. God forgives transgressions against God, but transgressions against our neighbors must be reconciled between neighbors. What possible reconciliation would Hitler be able to offer to those whom he had murdered? I cannot even imagine any possible reconciliation that Hitler might be able to offer to the survivors of the Holocaust and their families, as well.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
I know you asked this question of Christians but, since I see there have been a couple of non-Christian responses here already, I will be so bold as to give a Jewish perspective on Hitler and forgiveness.

In Judaism, it is said that forgiveness for wrongs done to someone can only be given by the one who had been wronged. The Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust under Hitler's direction would not be able to forgive Hitler were he still alive. The dead can't render forgiveness.

That doesn't mean that Jews don't believe in a forgiving God. God forgives transgressions against God, but transgressions against our neighbors must be reconciled between neighbors. What possible reconciliation would Hitler be able to offer to those whom he had murdered? I cannot even imagine any possible reconciliation that Hitler might be able to offer to the survivors of the Holocaust and their families, as well.

But God can forgive murderers and God wants those who have been wronged to forgive those who have wronged them if they want God to forgive them. IOW if we want to be forgiven by God then we should do the same.
The afterlife won't be very pleasant if people are still hating and living in unforgiveness of their neighbour.
Maybe your rabbit would say something similar.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Hello Christian, there’s a hypothetical I wanted to pose to you today.

What if Hitler didn’t kill himself - and became a repentant Christian after the war? Would he be forgiven by God?

I recall hearing in church that God’s mercy is eternal. So eternal that He sent His son to die for the sin of all mankind. If this is true, then it would have been possible for Hitler to have been forgiven, right?

Jesus is always willing to forgive. However, the person who is being forgiven, now has to forgiven themselves. This may not be as easy, since their memories will haunt them, in light of this act of kindness. The sins may be forgiven, but their heavy guilt may remain.

Say for example, someone cheats on their spouse and they are forgiven. Some people will take advantage and go back to the mud; no guilt. Forgiveness may not work for them, since they will keep doing wrong.

Others will be happy they to have a second chance, and their guilt will force them to make changes to help balance things off. Hitler, even he wanted to change, would have a hard time changing the world, so he can appease his world wide guilt, since everyone will be suspicious. He will be stuck at guilt unable to atone. Humans are not as forgiven as Jesus.

There is symbolism in Revelation about a guilt sacrifice. Just as Jesus was a sacrifice for sin; allows forgiveness of sin, the two anointed ones will be a sacrifice for guilt; forgiveness of guilt. This sacrifice leads to the rise of the Anti-Christ and a religion that has no guilt. Things go from bad to worse; be bad, be forgiven and have no guilt. This is needed since it is part of the healing process; prepares a clean uninstall, before the update.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
God can forgive the worst of sinners.
Why ask Christians?
Ask a Hindu.
In Hinduism God is Hitler and has forgotten that he is God who is just having a game with this reality to alleviate the boredom and in the end will be enlightened and join back into God, along with the plants and insects and rocks who are also part of God and eventually need to go through Karma and rebirth and hopefully graduate to a higher plane of existence and unite again with Brahman (I think).
And if the universe ends before all that plays out, who cares, everything just goes back to God and I guess after a while he gets bored again and the same thing happens because he likes this game. Or something like that.
But that is all just a man made philosophy.
You say let's ask a Hindu, then presume to speak on their behalf, and then dismiss it as a manmade philosophy, even though it doesn't fit the definition of philosophy. Perhaps the word you were looking for was mythology. That said, theirs is no more preposterous or manmade than yours.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Only God knows the answer to that question; and God ain't telling, as my old dad would say.
Then how do ordinary christians know if they are redeemed? What you suggest is a gamble for believers.

However, in John Milton's Paradise Lost, even Satan has the opportunity to repent, and all eternity in which to do so. This requires him to sincerely and humbly take the knee before God, which his pride will not allow him to do.
Is Milton's work part of the Bible now? Is he authoritative?

This whole idea is kind and compassionate, but still, is it justice? A guy is a murderer for most of his life, and then when the end nears he suddenly sees the light? Sounds self-serving. Even if sincere, the sinner had the chance to be moral sooner, but rejected those opportunities for more self-serving goals.

So Hitler repents, is saved, and goes to heaven. No punishment? Killers who get caught and convicted are sent to prison, even if they repent and show remorse for their actions.

This is another scenario where Christianity is too idealistic, and too binary. Is heaven really an option for killers even if they repent at the end? Catholics had Limbo for the souls of children who died, but they got rid of it some years ago because it was not a fan favorite by parents of dead kids. But that wasn't a bad idea if they had only used Limbo for those on the bubble.

The whole point of hell being a threat is that believers would really think it exists, and they would adjust their behavior to avoid it. But as we see some religious leaders adjused the interpretation of the Bible to include immoral acts. like executing people for witchraft, lying about science as the creationists do, evangelicals who are bigots and racists, the whole prosperity movement which is nothing more than an excuse for the sin of greed, etc. Christianity is a catastrophe of "truth" with no set morals and ethics. It is "anything goes theology". Think you're going to heaven? If you say so.
 

Rachel Rugelach

Shalom, y'all.
Staff member
But God can forgive murderers and God wants those who have been wronged to forgive those who have wronged them if they want God to forgive them. IOW if we want to be forgiven by God then we should do the same.
The afterlife won't be very pleasant if people are still hating and living in unforgiveness of their neighbour.
Maybe your rabbit would say something similar.

But the dead can't forgive their murderers. The dead can't do anything. I'm alive, but I cannot forgive on behalf of someone else who was wronged.

My "rabbit." You saw my joke in the jokes thread. :)
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Maybe your rabbit would say something similar.
That's why there's rabbit stew (and why it's deemed tref).

Before sharing your presumed Christian drivel about how we Jews and our God should forgive Hitler, perhaps you might at least give us time to properly consider forgiving the significantly Christian world that paved his way and otherwise facilitated him.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
But the dead can't forgive their murderers. The dead can't do anything. I'm alive, but I cannot forgive on behalf of someone else who was wronged.

My "rabbit." You saw my joke in the jokes thread. :)

I'm type O also.
The dead can't forgive their murderers true. Maybe after the resurrection there is a chance for that.
 
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