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Christians: about Hitler…

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URAVIP2ME

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F1fan said:
OK, so if a Hitler knows all this (afterall he was Catholic, and an altar boy as a child) couldn't he exploit God and the system of salvation by waiting until moments before his suicide to repent?
I see nothing ever explained in my years in church that being insincere won't work. Even if Hitler was sincere at the end, which is no doubt an emotional time and fear is very high, a person might seem and feel sincere, only because they want mercy. Such a person wants what they did not give to their victims. What did they really figure out? Is asking for repent an acknowedgement of being wrong, or just wanting something for themseves, a final gesture of greed and selishness?
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Well, to me there is a difference between feeling 'remorse' and really 'repenting'.
A difference in feeling ' regret ' for what one has done or not done and genuine repenting.
Unless mentally ill, does a repenting person kill oneself _______
Do you really think Hitler fits the " IF " found at 1 John 1:7 ____________
God is the Judge of who is the one found guilty at Luke 12:10
Isn't suicide an anti-Catholic teaching ___________
 
Rachel Rugelach

Rachel Rugelach

Shalom, y'all.
Staff member
Alien826 said:
More to the point, would rabbits forgive all the people that have hunted and killed them over the years?
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The Union of Orthodox Rabbits say: "NO!"
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(Fortunately for these guys, observant Jews don't eat rabbit meat.)
 
ElishaElijah

ElishaElijah

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Xavier Graham said:
Hello Christian, there’s a hypothetical I wanted to pose to you today.

What if Hitler didn’t kill himself - and became a repentant Christian after the war? Would he be forgiven by God?

I recall hearing in church that God’s mercy is eternal. So eternal that He sent His son to die for the sin of all mankind. If this is true, then it would have been possible for Hitler to have been forgiven, right?
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Any human being can be saved:
“Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭3‬, ‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 
DNB

DNB

Christian
Xavier Graham said:
Hello Christian, there’s a hypothetical I wanted to pose to you today.

What if Hitler didn’t kill himself - and became a repentant Christian after the war? Would he be forgiven by God?

I recall hearing in church that God’s mercy is eternal. So eternal that He sent His son to die for the sin of all mankind. If this is true, then it would have been possible for Hitler to have been forgiven, right?
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Yes, Hitler will be forgiven, of course, ...but, your example is too hypothetical - repentance must be sincerely contrite and remorseful - is this possible for someone who premeditated for several years the genocide of more than one race of peoples, and the war-mongering of several other nations?.

Yes, Christ's death and God's grace is efficacious for all men - if man recognizes his own sin, God's holiness, and Christ's love and obedience towards God. Could Hitler qualify for all these sentiments: highly, highly improbable.
 
Brian2

Brian2

Veteran Member
F1fan said:
OK, so if a Hitler knows all this (afterall he was Catholic, and an altar boy as a child) couldn't he exploit God and the system of salvation by waiting until moments before his suicide to repent?

I see nothing ever explained in my years in church that being insincere won't work. Even if Hitler was sincere at the end, which is no doubt an emotional time and fear is very high, a person might seem and feel sincere, only because they want mercy. Such a person wants what they did not give to their victims. What did they really figure out? Is asking for repent an acknowedgement of being wrong, or just wanting something for themseves, a final gesture of greed and selishness?
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Christians can't judge others, that is up to God.
In theory an evil person might hear the call to repentance and repent just before death.
But God is omniscient and living and not a force or mechanism like Karma so we cannot fool God.

Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
 
Brian2

Brian2

Veteran Member
SomeRandom said:
Nothing is above criticism, my brother. Nothing.
If it claims to be, then that’s a red flag and a half.
So called “Leaders” like hiding behind such labels and then use them to hide their abuse of folks. At least that’s the precedent set in human history. So I welcome criticism even if it seems like a bleak prospect.
Criticise everything, I say
Everything!!
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Praise where praise is due and criticism where that is due.

SomeRandom said:
Ehh maybe? Kind of? This is still very much a “lost in translation” kind of deal, if I’m being completely honest.
Because neither thought is actually fully accepted in any Hindu schools at all, to be completely honest with you. At least not to my knowledge
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It can be a confusing religion or philosophy or conglomerate.

SomeRandom said:
Perhaps. But there isn’t as big of a “war” among Hindu theists and atheists as there seems to be among Abrahamic faiths vs atheists. Maybe because of the fluidity in Hinduism. I dunno
Indeed many atheists happily attend our temple during holy festivals without anyone really caring really. It’s ultimately their business after all.
How are atheists treated at churches and Synagogues though?
Just as a general rule?
Just curious
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I would say that most atheists do not attend churches as a rule but if they did then nobody would know they were atheists anyway. If they told people then it might depend what the church is, but at the place I go and atheist would be welcome as would a Hindu or person of any faith. They would not be welcome as a fellow Christian however, but as a person who might be interested in Christianity.
No pressure, just acceptance.

SomeRandom said:
That’s your view and you’re certainly entitled to it
And I do not begrudge you for it, my brother

Though if I might say, sometimes your fellow Christians seem to hate my family for their practices and beliefs, even though we are nothing but accomodating to our Christian fellows
(Just an observation, not accusing you of anything certainly.)

Did Jesus not preach to treat others as you would have done yourself?

If I go by the treatment of certain Christians of myself and my friends and family, then I would have to be quite harsh towards you, if you follow?
And I don’t want to do that. Honestly I don’t
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I would not blame you for being harsh against Christianity because of Christians who do not follow the teachings of Jesus. Ghandi wondered why Christians did not do what Jesus taught.
As I said above, it depends where you are and what "brand" of Christianity you are seeing and the type of teaching that the ministers at that Church teach. I'm sure I would be ashamed to hear it and see the way some Christians behave.
I apologise on behalf of them and I'm sure Jesus is trying to teach them the truth.
Not that I am anywhere near perfect however and Jesus is also trying to teach me when I am not hearing as I should.
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
F1fan said:
OK, so if a Hitler knows all this (afterall he was Catholic, and an altar boy as a child) couldn't he exploit God and the system of salvation by waiting until moments before his suicide to repent?

I see nothing ever explained in my years in church that being insincere won't work. Even if Hitler was sincere at the end, which is no doubt an emotional time and fear is very high, a person might seem and feel sincere, only because they want mercy. Such a person wants what they did not give to their victims. What did they really figure out? Is asking for repent an acknowedgement of being wrong, or just wanting something for themseves, a final gesture of greed and selishness?
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It’s not as if the Creator of heaven and earth doesn’t know the difference between one who is truly sincere and repentant or simply faking it and seeking something for selfish reasons.
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Xavier Graham said:
Hello Christian, there’s a hypothetical I wanted to pose to you today.

What if Hitler didn’t kill himself - and became a repentant Christian after the war? Would he be forgiven by God?

I recall hearing in church that God’s mercy is eternal. So eternal that He sent His son to die for the sin of all mankind. If this is true, then it would have been possible for Hitler to have been forgiven, right?
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God is merciful to those who are sincerely repentant. Yet, the scriptures indicate that some are so given over to evil and have hardened their hearts to the point of being depraved beyond the possibility of repentance.
Hitler was an antichrist, heavily involved in the occult, demonically possessed, in complete opposition to the Creator God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/ the God of Israel, he exalted himself as god, and murdered millions of God’s chosen people, the Jews.


Was Adolf Hitler The "Anti-Christ" of His Generation? | Worldview Weekend Broadcast Network
 
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an anarchist

an anarchist

Your local loco.
Kenny said:
Why the question?
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I’m investigating Christian theology.

Hitler is just an eye catching hypothetical. The most extreme example of an evil human being one can think of.

Let’s talk about a real world example of this hypothetical - Jeffery Dahmer. Jeffery Dahmer became a reformed Christian in prison. He was baptized and had weekly Bible study sessions. Is he in hell or heaven? What does Christian philosophy say?

The reason I find this question important is this. if God forgave Jefferey Dahmer for his sins and allows him through the pearly gates, do I have to agree with it? If Jeffery really is in heaven, well that leaves me with a lot to think about. If he is in hell, that shows me that forgiveness has limits, which would be enlightening.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Brian2 said:
Christians can't judge others, that is up to God.
In theory an evil person might hear the call to repentance and repent just before death.
But God is omniscient and living and not a force or mechanism like Karma so we cannot fool God.

Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
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Hypothetically, maybe such a person might spend more time in sheol.
 
idea

idea

Question Everything
Rachel Rugelach said:
In Judaism, it is said that forgiveness for wrongs done to someone can only be given by the one who had been wronged.
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In Judaism, are victims encouraged to forgive?

I agree, forgiveness can only come from the one who was hurt. I would like to be more forgiving as it seems like it's better to live without anger, but cannot help myself from being guarded/angry around many different belief systems. I try to tell myself, it's not their fault, just how they were raised. Nothing is anyone's fault, it's all everyone 's fault for not supporting/teaching/creating a better environment.
 
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wellwisher

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syo said:
True. Hitler didn't kill himself. He continued living under a different identity.
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I remember as a child, there was an article and picture in Life Magazine that claimed to be a picture of an elderly Hitler, living in Argentina. He was born in 1889 and the picture was in the 1960's, so he would have been in his mid 70's? The Argentine ski resort of Bariloche, had been a place for retired Nazi's at that time. The picture seemed to look like an elderly Hitler, but this may have been a coincidence; common Arian features.
 
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