Christians: do you watch the Handmaid’s Tale?

[David1967]

Christiand are no better than moslims at cleaning
up their ranks of even the most despicable.

Instead chiristians see an attack from outside( even when
there isnt one) as an attack on all.

Your painting with too broad a brush here Audie. That 'Some Christians' may think this way I wouldn't argue with, but many including myself do not.

 

[David1967]

Hope btw, nobody would think I am
"Anti -Christian".

That's good to know, because I am certainly not Anti - Audie.

 

[Audie]

Your painting with too broad a brush here Audie. That 'Some Christians' may think this way I wouldn't argue with, but many including myself do not.

Sorry, dont intend it for all.

 

[Audie]

You believe I am bitter? I can easily sense your own bitterness from the things you've said. But I have no evil thoughts toward you. My God empowers me to love you. So I do.

I am not, I dont think you are bitter, and as for love me,
I dont believe that either.

But never mind, conversation over.

 

[Mark Dohle]

It is all about power and control. Mix religion and politcs and your truly get the anti christ......history shows that to be true. North Korea, and Chiana are already there, religlion is not the cause. However if the church were married to the state it would be worse. The church leaders would be of a different sort than the ones we have now......noe perfect, but not dictators.

peace
mark

 

[74x12]

I do have a very good idea of just how many eager
smart and ambitious people there are ready to cave
white christian america up like a roast turkey.

But by all means, attack the messenger and deny it.

Im not on your side.

You don't know true power. Love is strong as death. God can change your heart and mind. I prayed for you already.

I am not, I dont think you are bitter, and as for love me,
I dont believe that either.

But never mind, conversation over.

Felt the love of God for you when I prayed for you and therefore won't change my mind about it.

 

[Kirran]

Felt the love of God for you when I prayed for you and therefore won't change my mind about it.

I wouldn't have expected that someone could say something like this and still manage to come across as incredibly arrogant while doing so.

 

[Audie]

I wouldn't have expected that someone could say something like this and still manage to come across as incredibly arrogant while doing so.

Coming on the heels of "admit...slander",
"propaganda", "no idea how the world really
works" and such calumny in respose to
my observations re self satisfied ignorance
on the part of ourChristian fundies in a
dangerously competitive world, what besides
arrogant smarm could such a declaration of "love" be?

I accept it like I believe "Love you Babe!"
from some stranger I pass.

 

[74x12]

I wouldn't have expected that someone could say something like this and still manage to come across as incredibly arrogant while doing so.

I don't expect you to believe. It's a battle of the mind within itself.

 

[Audie]

I wouldn't have expected that someone could say something like this and still manage to come across as incredibly arrogant while doing so.

I was gonna say, stand by for more
arrogance, but, too late.

 

[Gallowglass]

I don’t see how the Handmaid’s Tale can be seen as Anti-Christian propaganda, when the author herself has declared the people in it to be only “purportedly Christian,” and not actually Christians at all. As Margaret Atwood put it:

“I don't consider these people to be Christians because they do not have at the core of their behavior and ideologies what I, in my feeble Canadian way, would consider to be the core of Christianity.”​

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don’t see how the Handmaid’s Tale can be seen as Anti-Christian propaganda, when the author herself has declared the people in it to be only “purportedly Christian,” and not actually Christians at all. As Margaret Atwood put it:

“I don't consider these people to be Christians because they do not have at the core of their behavior and ideologies what I, in my feeble Canadian way, would consider to be the core of Christianity.”​

The way that the series is being put out now suggests to me that it’s intended as a commentary on the American Christian Right and as a - likely hyperbolic -,warning of what it’s capable of becoming.

And I wonder if Atwood considers the American Christian mainstream to be Christian.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

If so, what do you think of if?

To me, it seems that it’s intended as a commentary on the religious right and a cautionary tale about where we could end up if we continue on our current path. What’s your take on it?

Do you think that as a commentary, it’s fair? Why or why not?

Do you think that dystopian future it shows is one that your religion would be compatible with? If not, what safeguards do you see in your religion that would stop it from happening?

Overall, what do you think of how the show portrays Christians?

I listened to the audio book, and it was OK. Basically just an updated 1984 from a feminist viewpoint, but OK. It's a cautionary tale, not a commentary, although the TV series may be viewed as such, I guess, although the specifics of the totalitarian excesses seem pretty different from the direction the Cheeto in Chief is heading in. But hey, maybe in his second or third term...

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

That's because it's about the Taliban. It's almost a documentary. The Taliban is real history.
The Handmaid's tale is garbage and anti-Christian, anti-America.

In what way is it either? I mean, specifically?

Or did it just hit a bit close to home?

 

[Revoltingest]

Try making a film like that targeting Jews or Muslims. You won't be allowed. It's anti-Christian propaganda.

Are you familiar with "Harrison Bergeron"?
It's a short story by Kurt Vonnegut.
(I recommend the movie version.)
Set in a dystopian future, 'progressives' have changed the Constitution
to require that all people be equal. This of course means that handicaps
must be placed on those who are smarter & too attractive or athletic.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Try making a film like that targeting Jews or Muslims. You won't be allowed. It's anti-Christian propaganda.

So that's what bothers you about it? Not that it's wrong, but you think you wouldn't be allowed to make something similar? (The dozens of anti Jewish and anti Muslim films extant notwithstanding)

Was there anything in it specifically you found unfair or unreasonable?

 

[Brickjectivity]

Christian zealots from Europe figured prominently in
the invasion and occupation of this land.

More accurately the population centuries ago was decimated by disease from Europe which at the time was not understood. It could have gone the other way if disease had not killed off so many original natives. Invasion and large scale occupation did happen in the southern continent, but the northern continent tribes continued on for a long time. In general things did not go their way after their huge population losses, and the settlers mostly believed in racism and grabbed land over the centuries. There were many wars and treaties. Currently many native tribes hold territory on the northern continent and are at peace.

Even more fun: the fanatical anti intellectualism
of so much of American christianity. Look at
the gross ignorance of the floodies and the
other creationists.

In general most US citizens are not staunch physical creationists but the opposite, and our country is a hotbed of research. Our communities always have a public library stocked with information about many things including Evolutionary Theory. As with many places there are winds of ignorance which sweep through, but I hold that extreme political scripture and government worship is likely more dangerous than a fundamentalist Christianity. Governments kill, steal and oppress. They burn books and blind people to truth. Religions have to keep them from getting us all killed. There is a balance. The governments and religions should always be wary of one another and not allowed to mix. I do not agree with many voices here which insist upon government support for particular scientific positions. Its too dangerous.

 

[e.r.m.]

If so, what do you think of if?

To me, it seems that it’s intended as a commentary on the religious right and a cautionary tale about where we could end up if we continue on our current path. What’s your take on it?

Do you think that as a commentary, it’s fair? Why or why not?

Do you think that dystopian future it shows is one that your religion would be compatible with? If not, what safeguards do you see in your religion that would stop it from happening?

Overall, what do you think of how the show portrays Christians?

It's absurd and completely fantasy driven. The entire premise of the sexual enslavement of these women was based on an event where somewhere in the Old Testament someone used a surrogate to produce a child. This society hijacked that event and turned it into a command, something which the Old Testament never did. The society depicted in that show is not based on Christianity, but on a totalitarian regime that twists Christianity toward its own ends. Much in the same way that Kim Jong Un twisted Anne Frank's diary to further their propaganda with their school children. I can see an already totalitarian regime twisting Christianity to justify the evil acts they are already doing, but I cannot see any society evolving into what we see in that show due to Christianity.

 

[Audie]

It's absurd and completely fantastical. The entire premise of the sexual enslavement of these women was based on an event where somewhere in the Old Testament someone used a surrogate to produce a child. This society hijacked that event and turned it into a command, something which the Old Testament never did. The society depicted in that show is not based on Christianity, but on a totalitarian regime that twists Christianity toward its own ends. Much in the same way that Kim Jong Un twisted Anne Frank's diary to further their propaganda with their school children. I can see an already totalitarian regime twisting Christianity to justify the evil acts they are already doing, but I cannot see any society evolving into what we see in that show due to Christianity.

Ye "Prophet" mohammed probably did not anticipate ISIS.

 

[e.r.m.]

Ye "Prophet" mohammed probably did not anticipate ISIS.

I don't understand your point.