Christians for Obama??

[DallasApple]

Nonsense. There are two possible reasons for "Christians for Obama:"

1. they are stupid, or
2. they value/evaluate the abortion issue differently than you do.

Well then I guess Im stupid then..It wouldnt be the first time I was accused of that..

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

This has turned into something other than what I asked. I have not debated abortion in this thread. There is an abortion thread for that.

Are there any born again Christians that are voting for Obama? If so, why are you voting for him? How hard is it to answer that question???

YOU debated abortion in fact you did..Your original question was how can a "true Christian" vote for Obama with his views on abortion..You narrowed down a Christians choice on who to vote for on the ABORTION ISSUE.

That is in fact debating..

When people gave other reasons why they were votign for him you argued were those things MORE IMPORTANT than human life..You didnt say..Oh O.K..You DEBATED or lets say "questioned" peoples reasons for voting for him havign nothing to do with abortion..

You cant have it both ways Weddy..I for one am not falling for it...

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

So, are you saying that human life isn't as important as tax refunds, healthcare, gun control, sharing the wealth, oil, etc.?

This is your response to 9/10 ths Penguin Weddy..When he stated other reasons to vote OTHER than abortion..

You questioned him/started a debate on that...Includign puttign words in his mouth..He NEVER said human life wasnt "as important" as this and that..OTHER issues AFFECT and take into account human life is THE POINT!

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

How would you go about seeing to it that there were fewer abortions? In other words, what can we do that will reduce the number of abortions?

Are you telling me I'm not a "Born Again Christian"? I hardly think that's your prerogative.

I know Dopp!!! We can ban them...make them totally illegal..That was the way it used to be..And it was a total success..Since women(and the fathers of the babies) new it was illegal..All the babies were born..And promptly adopted into loving homes ....OR the desperate mothers (and the dadd'ys) were offered REAL lasting solutions and help in order to be able to keep the baby themselves and raise the happy child...

No one had abortions..let alone botched abortions...Nor did anyone die..mother or child..Including suicide(or fathers murdering the pregnant mother)..Because that would have been "illegal"...

Love

Dallas

 

[Valjean]

The traditional concerns of the liberal left are clearly more in line with Jesus' teachings than the repressive, anti-social, authoritarian, pro-war, right.

Why this myopic Christian focus on the destruction of a handful of non-sentient bundles of cells while all around us there is poverty, war, genocide, hatred, and intolerance?

The number of foetuses aborted in the US is eclipsed a thousandfold by the number killed, along with their mothers and often their entire families, by our actions in Iraq. Why isn't the Christian right railing against war? Why wasn't it railing against the pre-war sanctions killing hundreds of thousands before the war? Why does the right protect foetuses but shoot down social programs to help impoverished mothers and children? Why do they condemn abortion while supporting capital punishment?

Some of these Christians, in my opion, need to go back and read Christ's words in the New Testament. Christ was a left wing peacenik, a socialist, a hippie, for heaven's sake.

Obama's platform and personal history are clearly more christlike than that of the anti-social warrior McCain.

Why would anyone calling himself a Christian vote for anyone but Obama?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So, are you saying that human life isn't as important as tax refunds, healthcare, gun control, sharing the wealth, oil, etc.?

No, I'm saying that healthcare, gun control and other issues like war affect human life, and that tax refunds, "sharing the wealth", oil, education and other issues like the Patriot Act affect the quality of those lives.

If you're going to cry for a "child" terminated by abortion, why on Earth wouldn't you also cry for children who die from improperly stored handguns, war, and the effects of poverty? Even if you give a fetus equal status to them, they still warrant your concern and support.

I'm also saying that any political position that is claims to be against abortion but neglects the issues that actually lead to unwanted pregnancies is a hollow one.

Edit: if your goal is actually to save the lives of children, don't you think that the candidates' stances on hunger (which kills 16,000 children a day worldwide), AIDS (which kills 250,000 children every year) or even highway collisions (which kill 6,000 children per year in the US) should factor in your decision of who to vote for?

 

[DallasApple]

Why does the right protect foetuses but shoot down social programs to help impoverished mothers and children?

Because its not their fault she got pregnant...Why should they have to pay for it?As long as the baby "gets born" they have done their part..Why should they have to go to work to pay for someone elses kid???

Look ...all we have to do is convince people not to have sex before they get married..(as if married women dont have abortions)...

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

If you're going to cry for a "child" terminated by abortion, why on Earth wouldn't you also cry for children who die from improperly stored handguns,

BECAUSE they arent "innocent" ...they are "born"...The only "innocent" life is a child in utero..All else are 'tarnished"..Plus on top of that..you can demonize the parents ...Because they already had the baby...You cant blame the government for that..(or you can call it a tragic circumstance)

Love

Dallas

 

[The Voice of Reason]

How can a true born again Christian vote for Obama when he believes that abortion, partial birth abortion, and live birth abortions are okay?

Well, I'm not a born again Christian, but I'll have to ask - how can a true born again Christian vote for McCain, when he believes that bombing Iran is something to joke about?

 

[DallasApple]

Well, I'm not a born again Christian, but I'll have to ask - how can a true born again Christian vote for McCain, when he believes that bombing Iran is something to joke about?

But you would only ask that because Christ isnt in your heart...Christ LOVED war..He said "follow me" and He bombed people..He stabbbed people.He took prisoners of war and made them strip naked and took pictures of them being humiliated and laughed His HEAD OFF!.He didnt "murder" though like in the case of abortion..He only "killed" people like in the case of war..

Plus..He was REAL stingy with the bread basket...He was adament about that..He said "go get your own bread..I have plenty because I have enough faith and I worked hard...whats mine is mine He said...".He also said "if you are sick...you can just go ahead and just die...you should have planned ahead better than you did"..

Love

Dallas

 

[doppelganger]

I want to know why a born again Christian would vote for Obama when he has no concern for human life.

Why would a born again Christian tell lies about people?

 

[Weddy]

Well, I'm not a born again Christian, but I'll have to ask - how can a true born again Christian vote for McCain, when he believes that bombing Iran is something to joke about?

You must be talking about the video of McCain singing "Bomb Bomb Iran" to the tune of The Beach Boys song, "Barbara Ann". While he was trying to lighten the mood and make a joke, I agree that he shouldn't have joked that way. As far as Iran goes, their leadership has been quoted as talking about the obliteration of Israel, and linked to funding terrorist organizations. So I can see where the joke came from.

Obama, however, is serious about abortions, redistributing the wealth, raising taxes, etc.

 

[DallasApple]

Why would a born again Christian tell lies about people?

What??..Lie???

You mean stating that someone who is pro-choice cares NOTHING about human life??????

How is that a lie?...Isnt all human life represented by zygotes..embryos and fetusus?

Look..the rest of "us"(non human life) can fend for ourselves..We need to vote for someone that actually cares about humans...

GET with the program Dopp!!

Love

Dallas

 

[dawny0826]

How can a true born again Christian vote for Obama when he believes that abortion, partial birth abortion, and live birth abortions are okay?

I ask this question as well. I've learned that there are many "brands" of Christianity.

 

[dawny0826]

I dont believe he thinks abortions are "o.K" That is way over simplifying the issue of abortion.

Love

Dallas

If he's not in opposition, then he's basically saying that yes, they are okay.

 

[DallasApple]

If he's not in opposition, then he's basically saying that yes, they are okay.

No...he is "basically" saying it's the womans right to choose..Not his...

Love

Dallas

 

[dawny0826]

No...he is "basically" saying it the womans right to choose..Not his...

Love

Dallas

Which is still giving the green light.

 

[Storm]

Which is still giving the green light.

No, it's taking himself out of the picture because he has no place in such a decision.

 

[DallasApple]

Which is still giving the green light.

The green light to pregnant women..To choose yes or no...He's giving the green light to choice..He's not saying he "promotes" or is "o.k" with the choice to abort ..He's saying its not his choice either way....but a woman should have that in her hands to decide..Not him...

Love

Dallas

 

[dawny0826]

No, it's taking himself out of the picture because he has no place in such a decision.

If you're about to jump off a bridge and I choose not to stop you but could have, I ALLOWED your death, even if it was your fault, your choice. Blood would still be on my hands for watching you die.

By giving the green light on abortion, he's allowing abortions to continue.