Christians for Obama??

[Heneni]

I'm not here to debate abortions. I've already done that in the abortion thread. I really want to know how a born again Christian (with Jesus living in their heart) could vote for someone that believes abortion, partial birth abortion, and live birth abortions are okay.

Hello wendy. I wouldnt vote for anybody that condones any type of violence, be it war, be it abortion, or the death penalty. I dont involve myself with politics. To vote for someone that is ok with these things is like saying i agree. I wouldnt feel safe around someone who can kill the innocent (and of their own kind) anymore than i can vote for a president who condones war for any reason at all.


Heneni

 

[Father Heathen]

Hello wendy. I wouldnt vote for anybody that condones any type of violence, be it war, be it abortion, or the death penalty. I dont involve myself with politics. To vote for someone that is ok with these things is like saying i agree. I wouldnt feel safe around someone who can kill the innocent (and of their own kind) anymore than i can vote for a president who condones war for any reason at all.


Heneni

At least your consistent. I always found people who proclaim themselves "pro-life" yet oddly enough support war and the death penalty to be rather hypocritical.

 

[Quagmire]

The thing is; history and a survey of the countries with the highest abortion rate show that outlawing abortion does nothing to reduce the rate, whereas not starting wars does in fact reduce the number of war casualties.

Go figure.

 

[shema]

I voted for Obama because even though, he does not condone abortion, he leaves that option open for people who do, for their own safety. Before abortions were legal, If a female wanted to get rid of her baby, she was going to find a way to do it anyway. which would kill them both...

"Criminalization of abortion did not reduce the numbers of women who sought abortions. In the years before Roe v. Wade, the estimates of illegal abortions ranged as high as 1.2 million per year.1 Although accurate records could not be kept, it is known that between the 1880s and 1973, many thousands of women were harmed as a result of illegal abortion.
Many women died or suffered serious medical problems after attempting to self-induce their abortions or going to untrained practitioners who performed abortions with primitive methods or in unsanitary conditions. During this time, hospital emergency room staff treated thousands of women who either died or were suffering terrible effects of abortions provided without adequate skill and care. "
National Abortion Federation: History of Abortion

If you say Barack Obama Supports abortions just because he likes to kill baby's is very misleading..

Do you think he would support his daughters having abortions, I think not. Probably because he teaches his daughters the value of staying a virgin until marraige. Nobody's talking about that.

 

[UnityNow101]

At least your consistent. I always found people who proclaim themselves "pro-life" yet oddly enough support war and the death penalty to be rather hypocritical.

Is it hypocritical to be anti-war and against the death penalty, yet support abortion? That is the belief that many of us uphold. We are all hypocritical in a way, so I do applaud Henini for her ability to step aside from the political hypocrisy and not vote on good consciense...

Abortion is one of the issues that I struggle with and choose not to make it an issue on which to base my vote. But I can understand the argument of those that do...

 

[Storm]

Is it hypocritical to be anti-war and against the death penalty, yet support abortion?

Not if you don't consider a fetus a person, which many don't.

I'm not so sure about that, but I still don't consider my stances hypocritical.

I'm anti- unjust war, I supported Afghanistan and opposed Iraq.

I support the death penalty in principle, but not in practice, because the system as it is is broken.

IOW, I understand that killing is sometimes necessary. Seems consistent to me.

 

[Weddy]

What the sam heck is a live birth abortion? I thought that partial birth and live birth abortions were both illegal, anyway, and Obama would be a fool to support them as they are both quite unpopular.

This portion of the OP struck me as impressively stupid.

If you go to page one you'll see my two links regarding Obama's stand on abortion. Live birth abortion is where the doctor induces labor, delivers the baby, and puts it somewhere to die on its own. I'm sure you could find pictures if you look hard enough. Sometimes cold hearted people need to actually see the after effects to grasp what has happened.

By the way, to call someone stupid just because you disagree is VERY childish. I don't think anyone in this thread is stupid just because our opinions are different.

 

[Mr.Anderson]

I also look at the candidate's agenda from a Christian standpoint when I make my decisions. Unfortunately things didn't work out the way I had hoped. I think our country just got the president we deserve instead of the one we need.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If you go to page one you'll see my two links regarding Obama's stand on abortion. Live birth abortion is where the doctor induces labor, delivers the baby, and puts it somewhere to die on its own. I'm sure you could find pictures if you look hard enough. Sometimes cold hearted people need to actually see the after effects to grasp what has happened.

Seeing how you've already been called out in this thread for misrepresenting Obama's stance on one issue, I'm personally not inclined to trust your assessment of his stance on this one without independent corroboration, and I don't think the links you gave can reasonably be called that.

I also look at the candidate's agenda from a Christian standpoint when I make my decisions. Unfortunately things didn't work out the way I had hoped. I think our country just got the president we deserve instead of the one we need.

When you "look at the candidate's agenda from a Christian standpoint", what do you actually do?

Is it like you have a checklist based on the Sermon on the Mount and count off the items that are included in the candidate's platform, or is there more to it than that?

 

[Wandered Off]

By the way, to call someone stupid just because you disagree is VERY childish.

Indeed it is, but if you read A_E's post more carefully, you may notice that he is calling a portion of the opening post (OP) stupid. Calling a portion of a post stupid is not the same as insulting a person.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

By the way, to call someone stupid just because you disagree is VERY childish. I don't think anyone in this thread is stupid just because our opinions are different.

I have to say that I do not think you are stupid. I do think you are an alarmist, arrogant, and someone that is intentionally deceiving others. I base that on your posts, and the fact that you started this thread in an attempt to pressure other Christians into voting the way you wanted them to, by intentionally distorting Obama's positions.

But no, I don't think you're stupid.

 

[Quagmire]

If you go to page one you'll see my two links regarding Obama's stand on abortion. Live birth abortion is where the doctor induces labor, delivers the baby, and puts it somewhere to die on its own. I'm sure you could find pictures if you look hard enough. Sometimes cold hearted people need to actually see the after effects to grasp what has happened.
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And sometimes hot-headed people need to calm down and look at the facts; I highly doubt that anyone is literally in favor of abortion. The people in the pro-choice camp are in favor of the right to a legal abortion. There's a big difference.

Statistics show that abortion is going to be with us whether we outlaw it or not. the only thing banning abortion will do is make it more dangerous and more tramatic for the people involved. It wont solve the problem it'll just create more problems.

 

[Mr.Anderson]

I have to say that I do not think you are stupid. I do think you are an alarmist, arrogant, and someone that is intentionally deceiving others. I base that on your posts, and the fact that you started this thread in an attempt to pressure other Christians into voting the way you wanted them to, by intentionally distorting Obama's positions.

But no, I don't think you're stupid.

Just because a person is strong in their faith doesn't make them arrogant. My understanding of the original question was that Weddy wanted to know for what reasons a Christian would vote for Obama other than for Obama's beliefs regarding abortion. It's a good question and one that provoked thought for those in all religious beliefs. I don't think there was any deception whatsoever.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Just because a person is strong in their faith doesn't make them arrogant. My understanding of the original question was that Weddy wanted to know for what reasons a Christian would vote for Obama other than for Obama's beliefs regarding abortion. It's a good question and one that provoked thought for those in all religious beliefs. I don't think there was any deception whatsoever.

Well, that was a nice spin, Mr. O'Reilly, but it just doesn't cut it in here.

The original post was intended to question the "Christianity" of anyone that supported Obama. Much like the Bush administration questioning the patriotism of anyone that didn't support their positions on the war, or their shredding of the Constitution.

You are not talking to sheep on this forum. We can read, we can think, and we call BS when we see it.

Yes, it was arrogance, for Weddy to speak as if his version of Christianity is somehow morally superior to the manner in which others embrace the religion.

The question was not a "good question" - it was rhetorical in nature, and you know it. You probably won't admit it, but that's okay.

 

[Father Heathen]

I'm anti- unjust war, I supported Afghanistan and opposed Iraq.

I support the death penalty in principle, but not in practice, because the system as it is is broken.

I agree with all of this.

 

[Autodidact]

How can a true born again Christian vote for Obama when he believes that abortion, partial birth abortion, and live birth abortions are okay?

Are you serious? Well, some thoughts that occur to me are:

• Obama is a devout Christian.
• Obama calls on all of us to remember our responsibility to one another.
• Nowhere in the Bible does it prohibit any form of abortion, and in places commands or commends it, so it is not necessarily inconsistent with Biblical Christianity to favor abortion rights. You may disagree, but it doesn't mean that the person with the other point of view is not Christian.
• Advocating for someone's right to do something is not the same as thinking that thing is "O.K." Do you understand the distinction?

As a Christian, how can you support a candidate who advocates for war, especially non-defensive war?

 

[Autodidact]

His own words...

http://www.obamawantsyou.com/abortionsanction.html

http://www.obamawantsyou.com/abortionembrace.html


How can I trust that he will protect me, and everyone else in our country, if he feels this way about an innocent baby?

He calls himself a Christian, but he belongs to a racist church where the "preacher" talks about politics from the pulpit instead of the bible.

I really would like to hear from born again Christians that are voting for him.

Because no right-wing preacher would ever do a thing like that.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, Sermon, July 4, 1976[/FONT]
I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam. I know that this statement sounds extreme, but I do not shrink from its implications. The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.

Rod Parsley, McCain's "spiritual guide."
"military confrontation with Iran is foretold in the Bible as a necessary precondition for the Second Coming."

Pastor John Hagee, who endorsed John McCain


I could do this all day.


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-- Pat Robertson, in a fundraising letter, July 4, 1991[/FONT]

 

[Autodidact]

So, are you saying that human life isn't as important as tax refunds, healthcare, gun control, sharing the wealth, oil, etc.?

He may be saying that actual human beings also have lives, not just foetuses.

 

[Autodidact]

You don't seem to understand the question, or maybe I wasn't clear. The reason I'm asking is because I have a friend that is a born again Christian that voted for Obama strickly because if his race. It bothers me that race is more important to her than human life.

I want to know why a born again Christian would vote for Obama when he has no concern for human life. Are they voting for healthcare, tax cuts, race, etc. What reasons are they voting for him?

Really? She would vote for any black person, regardless of his position on any issue? That sounds stupid.

 

[Autodidact]

This has turned into something other than what I asked. I have not debated abortion in this thread. There is an abortion thread for that.

Are there any born again Christians that are voting for Obama? If so, why are you voting for him? How hard is it to answer that question???

In that case I think you're in the wrong forum.