Christians for Obama??

[9-10ths_Penguin]

(regarding no atheists in hell)

Think about it. If you're in hell you are forced to believe in God and Satan, instead of believing by free will.

Ah... okay. So any atheist who gets sent to Hell quickly loses his atheism. Gotcha. I (and maybe others here) took your previous statement to mean that atheists got a "free pass" when it came to Hell.

Of course, I think we'll both be equally surprised when C'thul'hu emerges and eradicates humanity.

Oh! While I've got you: have you given any thought to the question I asked you before?

When you "look at the candidate's agenda from a Christian standpoint", what do you actually do?

Is it like you have a checklist based on the Sermon on the Mount and count off the items that are included in the candidate's platform, or is there more to it than that?

This is something that I'm actually very interested in. I'd like to see how faith and belief gets translated into voting decisions in the Christian perspective.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

This is something that I'm actually very interested in. I'd like to see how faith and belief gets translated into voting decisions in the Christian perspective.

Don't hold your breath......When it comes to political issues christians........and I say christians because they seem to be the biggest group affecting political decisions......they seem to be extremely conservative on certain issues and liberal on others. The bible prohibits games of chance but from state to state gambling and lottos run rampet....In Maryland they just passed a proposition that will bring 15 thousand slots to various places in MD. Me personally...I don't care but it shows that religion does infact play a big role in government.....

 

[Mr.Anderson]

Ah... okay. So any atheist who gets sent to Hell quickly loses his atheism. Gotcha. I (and maybe others here) took your previous statement to mean that atheists got a "free pass" when it came to Hell.

Of course, I think we'll both be equally surprised when C'thul'hu emerges and eradicates humanity.

Oh! While I've got you: have you given any thought to the question I asked you before?



This is something that I'm actually very interested in. I'd like to see how faith and belief gets translated into voting decisions in the Christian perspective.

9-10ths_Penguin,
When I vote, I look at a candidate's agenda and see how it conflicts or goes along with the bible. I don't vote based on the political party, however, Republicans tend to be more conservative. I truly believe that if we voted on agenda, and left the candidates names off, we would probably vote for a completely different person than we think.

I didn't vote for Obama, however, I will always pray for the president no matter if I voted for him or not. Supporting our president doesn't always mean that we agree with everything he does.

 

[Autodidact]

(regarding no atheists in hell)

Think about it. If you're in hell you are forced to believe in God and Satan, instead of believing by free will.

First tell me how you know there is a hell. Then tell me how you know who will go there.

 

[Mr.Anderson]

First tell me how you know there is a hell. Then tell me how you know who will go there.

God says there is a hell, but you don't believe in God so I don't know how else to tell you. The Bible says that Jesus is the only way to Heaven, so if you don't have Jesus, you go to hell. I don't know who is going to hell because that's between the person and God.

 

[Storm]

"Would that they had forgotten My Name, and done that I commanded them."

 

[Jeremy Mason]

God says there is a hell, but you don't believe in God so I don't know how else to tell you. The Bible says that Jesus is the only way to Heaven, so if you don't have Jesus, you go to hell. I don't know who is going to hell because that's between the person and God.

OK, we get it. What is the point with all the ."There a Hell and Jesus is the only way to Heaven?" People around here have heard this to an absurd amount and it discourages non-believers to a point of no return.

Start sharing the attractive side of our Savior, it's a hard target to miss.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

9-10ths_Penguin,
When I vote, I look at a candidate's agenda and see how it conflicts or goes along with the bible. I don't vote based on the political party, however, Republicans tend to be more conservative. I truly believe that if we voted on agenda, and left the candidates names off, we would probably vote for a completely different person than we think.

For some people, you're probably quite right. I've been somewhat relieved when I've taken various "test your stance on the issues"-type web surveys and found that my political beliefs and my voting pattern tend to be fairly closely aligned.

I'm curious what you mean by the part I put in bold, though. How do you measure how well a candidate's agenda measures up against the Bible? I'm interested, because I personally think that the Bible tends to point in places other than the religious right.

For example, do you judge social policy against the story of the sheep and the goats in Matthew 25? Personally, I see that as a better fit for the Democrats than the Republicans. When you read Acts 4 & 5, do you think the description of the system of administration of the early Christians is a proper economic model for the nation? If so, then I'd say that every party falls far short of that except for the Communists.

You hinted at being a conservative; I'm just interested how you would arrive at that position if you used the Bible as your starting point and guide.

God says there is a hell, but you don't believe in God so I don't know how else to tell you. The Bible says that Jesus is the only way to Heaven, so if you don't have Jesus, you go to hell. I don't know who is going to hell because that's between the person and God.

The Bible also says that unbelieving husbands are sanctified by their believing wives, so there may be hope for me yet.

 

[Autodidact]

God says there is a hell, but you don't believe in God so I don't know how else to tell you.

Really? Does he say it to you, or did he write it down, or what? So you're saying that you don't know whether there is a Hell or not?

The Bible says that Jesus is the only way to Heaven, so if you don't have Jesus, you go to hell. I don't know who is going to hell because that's between the person and God.

That's funny. I thought you told us something about who's going to Hell. I'm confused.

 

[Draka]

Really? Does he say it to you, or did he write it down, or what? So you're saying that you don't know whether there is a Hell or not?

Actually, it was a passed note. See, god stopped over for a drink yesterday and gave me this note to pass along to Mr. Anderson. I thought it was kind of strange it was written in crayon, but whatever.

That's funny. I thought you told us something about who's going to Hell. I'm confused.

Well, he didn't really say anyone was going to hell. He was saying that you couldn't remain an atheist in hell. Because once you got there you'd know you were wrong and there really was such a place and such beings as god and satan. That sort of thing. Kind of like you'll be forced to believe when you see it for yourself.

 

[Autodidact]

Actually, it was a passed note. See, god stopped over for a drink yesterday and gave me this note to pass along to Mr. Anderson. I thought it was kind of strange it was written in crayon, but whatever.



Well, he didn't really say anyone was going to hell. He was saying that you couldn't remain an atheist in hell. Because once you got there you'd know you were wrong and there really was such a place and such beings as god and satan. That sort of thing. Kind of like you'll be forced to believe when you see it for yourself.

Oh, I see. In addition, once you travel to Neverland, you know that there really are fairies.

 

[Draka]

Oh, I see. In addition, once you travel to Neverland, you know that there really are fairies.

Exactly. That sort of thing.

 

[Mr.Anderson]

OK, we get it. What is the point with all the ."There a Hell and Jesus is the only way to Heaven?" People around here have heard this to an absurd amount and it discourages non-believers to a point of no return.

Start sharing the attractive side of our Savior, it's a hard target to miss.

Actually, Jesus talked more about hell than heaven. I guess I got that from Him.

 

[Evangelicalist]

Actually, Jesus talked more about hell than heaven. I guess I got that from Him.

No he didn't. :sorry1:

 

[Elessar]

Actually, Jesus talked more about hell than heaven. I guess I got that from Him.

I'm gonna need a citation for that one.

 

[Green Gaia]

How can a true born again Christian vote for Obama when he believes that abortion, partial birth abortion, and live birth abortions are okay?

Perhaps because there are more and bigger issues than just abortion. I know that comes as a shock to some Evangelicals, but it's true.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Well, I'm not a born again Christian, but I'll have to ask - how can a true born again Christian vote for McCain, when he believes that bombing Iran is something to joke about?

Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb bomb Iran. :angel2: