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Christians:- how do you view the Israel-Palestine Conflict?

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Nohwey

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CynthiaCypher said:
No. I say no. They are not God's people. The whole idea of a single race of people being God's people is nothing more than racism and blasphemy. It's goes against the very tenets of the Christian faith.

They are in no way God's people. Would God's people continually wage war? Would God's people steal what doesn't belong to them? Would God's people kill innocent women and children? Would God's people lie and deceive to order to be keep from justice? No. But Israel does all these things, they are not God's people. You believe they are God's people because you have been deceived my false prophets like Hal Lindsey and others like him, you have turn your back on your fellow Christians in Palestine. It's you who is condoning evil, it's you who is condoning theft and murder and war instead of peace and justice.
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Is it Isaiah 66 condoning theft and murder and war instead of peace and justice? If so, God is condoning theft and murder and war instead of peace and justice, the same God, who never changes, who gave us Salvation and an eternity in Heaven.

Your fallacy is in many places throughout the holy scriptures. Also, if the idea of one people being God's people is racism, then God is a racist. The same God who gave us equality in the Kingdom of God. That's a fallacy of yours that you'll most likely turn around and use against me, as some proof that I'm a racist or some such ludicrous charge.

As for my fellow Christians in Palestine, I worship God, not my fellow Christians in any country. The scriptures say Israel belongs to the Jewish people, God gave it to them, specifically THIS Israel.
 
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CynthiaCypher said:
No. I say no. They are not God's people. The whole idea of a single race of people being God's people is nothing more than racism and blasphemy. It's goes against the very tenets of the Christian faith.

They are in no way God's people. Would God's people continually wage war? Would God's people steal what doesn't belong to them? Would God's people kill innocent women and children? Would God's people lie and deceive to order to be keep from justice? No. But Israel does all these things, they are not God's people. You believe they are God's people because you have been deceived my false prophets like Hal Lindsey and others like him, you have turn your back on your fellow Christians in Palestine. It's you who is condoning evil, it's you who is condoning theft and murder and war instead of peace and justice.
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22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also. 1 John 2:22-23

2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit which does not confess Jesus is not of God. This is the spirit of antichrist, of which you heard that it was coming, and now it is in the world already. 1 John 4:2-3

5 Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God, and every one who loves the parent loves the child. 1 John 5:1

19 They said to him therefore, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father; if you knew me, you would know my Father also.” John 8:19

The only Jewish people who are God's people are the Jews who have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and they are one in Christ with all their fellow Christian brothers and sisters. To be one of God's people is based on faith and living like Christ. It has nothing to do with your heritage. That is heresy.

One of God's people: St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein)
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One of God's people? No! :no:
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Nohwey

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Jews were going to live in Israel in rebellion against God.

You forget that the Bible claims this. :|

They are God's chosen people in the political, ethnic, and sociological sense of the word. It doesn't mean they still have their established role as they once did in the Old Testament.

Jews are Saved the same way Gentiles are, but Gentiles are not God's chosen people. To put it this way, the Jewish people are basically the same nationality as God, but God does not play favorites.

I treat people from other countries the same as I would treat my own people. As for God's chosen people, the Muslims are not God's chosen people either, they definitely deny the Christ. Also, if you are a Palestinian, just being a Christian does not give you an excuse to cry for Israel to give away their land, cut in half, and eventually be wiped out by people who want them dead.

Look for what the Islamic concept of "Hudna" means, and "Taqiya". Also, even my Christian brethren in Palestine are not God. They cannot tell God what to do.
 
Saint Frankenstein

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Nohwey said:
Jews were going to live in Israel in rebellion against God.

You forget that the Bible claims this. :|

They are God's chosen people in the political, ethnic, and sociological sense of the word. It doesn't mean they still have their established role as they once did in the Old Testament.

Jews are Saved the same way Gentiles are, but Gentiles are not God's chosen people. To put it this way, the Jewish people are basically the same nationality as God, but God does not play favorites.

I treat people from other countries the same as I would treat my own people. As for God's chosen people, the Muslims are not God's chosen people either, they definitely deny the Christ. Also, if you are a Palestinian, just being a Christian does not give you an excuse to cry for Israel to give away their land, cut in half, and eventually be wiped out by people who want them dead.

Look for what the Islamic concept of "Hudna" means, and "Taqiya". Also, even my Christian brethren in Palestine are not God. They cannot tell God what to do.
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God does not have an ethnicity or political ideology. He is the Lord of the universe (or multiverse) and is much bigger than one tiny group of people of one primitive ape species on a dustball in the boondocks of one galaxy out of billions. If you're talking about Jesus, He condemned the unbelieving Jews ("you are of your father, the devil"). He certainly didn't see them as His people. He told them the Temple was going to be destroyed and He didn't seem to see it as a bad thing. He put an end to the Old Covenant and made a New Covenant with humanity.

As for the Muslims, they have some of the truth as they accept Christ as Messiah and a Prophet. They believe in His Virgin Birth and even in Mary's Perpetual Virginity. Christians have more in common with them than we do with those who follow Judaism.

I see that you have sold out your brothers and sisters in Christ. We are supposed to be one family, the Body of Christ. When one part of the Body suffers, we all suffer. Family comes first. You are preaching unGodly heresies.
 
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Israel has a representative government, which means it bows to the will of its electorate. Gaza is currently an oligarchy. The West Bank is undefined but possibly a limited dictatorship.

The people who live in Gaza are not favourable towards Christians. I also think that Christians are not safe in Gaza. Their property gets raided, and occasionally people just kill them. Gaza'ns are not tolerant of Christians. One day the Christians are safe and the next they're not.

In Israel Christians are not particularly popular and must watch out. Public sentiment towards Christians is divided. Also, missionary activity by Christians upsets people. The situation is aggravated by the recent appearance of 'Messianic' Christians. Generally speaking, it is unclear what will be the future status of Christians in Israel.

Israelis are both secular and religious. The religious ones are divided about settlements and about the two-state solution. The secular ones are also divided but tend towards the two state solution. Currently the fundamentalists (they want more settlements) have gained a lot of strength in the government, but I think their power base is not sustainable. Therefore, Israel will eventually go for a two state solution. Christians will get to keep churches over there.
 
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Saint Frankenstein said:
God does not have an ethnicity or political ideology. He is the Lord of the universe (or multiverse) and is much bigger than one tiny group of people of one primitive ape species on a dustball in the boondocks of one galaxy out of billions. If you're talking about Jesus, He condemned the unbelieving Jews ("you are of your father, the devil"). He certainly didn't see them as His people. He told them the Temple was going to be destroyed and He didn't seem to see it as a bad thing. He put an end to the Old Covenant and made a New Covenant with humanity.

As for the Muslims, they have some of the truth as they accept Christ as Messiah and a Prophet. They believe in His Virgin Birth and even in Mary's Perpetual Virginity. Christians have more in common with them than we do with those who follow Judaism.

I see that you have sold out your brothers and sisters in Christ. We are supposed to be one family, the Body of Christ. When one part of the Body suffers, we all suffer. Family comes first. You are preaching unGodly heresies.
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You want un-Godly heresies? Stay in the Roman Catholic Church then. You want un-Godly heresies, stay in any Church that has Replacement Theology, which is increasingly worse in Protestantism. Just because someone belongs to the wrong religion, does not give you an excuse to demand that they give up their nation, which not only God gave them, but they NEED to shelter the Jewish people, and God's own honor from destruction and defilement not just from their surrounding enemies but the Devil himself.

Now sure, Jesus condemns all non-believers, but the New Covenant is Another Covenant, not the ONLY Covenant. It's the only Covenant that's in place right now, but the present day state of Israel is in God's plan for him to return to Israel being the center of his sights, and it will remain so for one thousand years with Jesus reigning straight from Jerusalem.

And honestly, look at this from a practical perspective. The Jewish people, not just Israel, have a right to exist. If there's no Israel, there's not going to be Jewish people, and even if you are right about God's Chosen people not being the Jews, there is no right in anyone's God given authority to advocate the total annihilation of the Jewish race and religion, just because they have some conflicts with the Palestinians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtnJDG3B3Eo&list=PLFq9RLIo3I-enkul2y0fMBL6xlB2l2KBi
 
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Saint Frankenstein

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Nohwey said:
You want un-Godly heresies? Stay in the Roman Catholic Church then. You want un-Godly heresies, stay in any Church that has Replacement Theology, which is increasingly worse in Protestantism. Just because someone belongs to the wrong religion, does not give you an excuse to demand that they give up their nation, which not only God gave them, but they NEED to shelter the Jewish people, and God's own honor from destruction and defilement not just from their surrounding enemies but the Devil himself.

Now sure, Jesus condemns all non-believers, but the New Covenant is Another Covenant, not the ONLY Covenant. It's the only Covenant that's in place right now, but the present day state of Israel is in God's plan for him to return to Israel being the center of his sights, and it will remain so for one thousand years with Jesus reigning straight from Jerusalem.

And honestly, look at this from a practical perspective. The Jewish people, not just Israel, have a right to exist. If there's no Israel, there's not going to be Jewish people, and even if you are right about God's Chosen people not being the Jews, there is no right in anyone's God given authority to advocate the total annihilation of the Jewish race and religion, just because they have some conflicts with the Palestinians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtnJDG3B3Eo&list=PLFq9RLIo3I-enkul2y0fMBL6xlB2l2KBi
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Of course, you are a Dispensationalist and a premillenialist, both of which are false teachings made up in the 19th century. One heresy quickly follows another. You are very misled. I'm not going to be reading anymore of your posts. They're too ridiculous.
 
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Saint Frankenstein said:
Of course, you are a Dispensationalist and a premillenialist, both of which are false teachings made up in the 19th century. One heresy quickly follows another. You are very misled. I'm not going to be reading anymore of your posts. They're too ridiculous.
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19th century heresy? Not even the Saturday Adventist Church still believe that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture was invented by Margaret McDonald and that other guy.
 
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