Christians! Now which Mosaic Laws are still in force for you?

[oldbadger]

It's time that I found out about this. One Christian might mention a law and quote from the Mosaic books, another could dismiss the same law but feel strong about other ones. Some of the more extreme Christians seem to want a Theistic Monarchy leading a Police State (oh yes!) whilst others focus upon love and understanding as the main message of Jesus. The range of tenets that fall under the title of Christianity are legion, I think.

And I cannot tie any of it down! Like willow-the-wisps some Christians will pick up and drop Mosaic Laws at whim (it seems) whilst totally disregarding the ones that others have greatest respect for.
So...... please...... Can you help with this?

To start off, let's pick any one Mosaic law ...... this was chosen by my wife by opening early pages of the bible and placing her finger down until eventually there was a law underneath, and so fate decided this one:-

Deut {24:5} When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business:[but] he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.

OK..... So..... how many Christian business folks have a one-year paid leave (or leave of absence) scheme for their employee brides and/or grooms? If not, why not?

 

[shmogie]

It's time that I found out about this. One Christian might mention a law and quote from the Mosaic books, another could dismiss the same law but feel strong about other ones. Some of the more extreme Christians seem to want a Theistic Monarchy leading a Police State (oh yes!) whilst others focus upon love and understanding as the main message of Jesus. The range of tenets that fall under the title of Christianity are legion, I think.

And I cannot tie any of it down! Like willow-the-wisps some Christians will pick up and drop Mosaic Laws at whim (it seems) whilst totally disregarding the ones that others have greatest respect for.
So...... please...... Can you help with this?

To start off, let's pick any one Mosaic law ...... this was chosen by my wife by opening early pages of the bible and placing her finger down until eventually there was a law underneath, and so fate decided this one:-

Deut {24:5} When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business:[but] he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.

OK..... So..... how many Christian business folks have a one-year paid leave (or leave of absence) scheme for their employee brides and/or grooms? If not, why not?

NO Mosaic law applies to Christians.

 

[Darkforbid]

It's time that I found out about this. One Christian might mention a law and quote from the Mosaic books, another could dismiss the same law but feel strong about other ones. Some of the more extreme Christians seem to want a Theistic Monarchy leading a Police State (oh yes!) whilst others focus upon love and understanding as the main message of Jesus. The range of tenets that fall under the title of Christianity are legion, I think.

And I cannot tie any of it down! Like willow-the-wisps some Christians will pick up and drop Mosaic Laws at whim (it seems) whilst totally disregarding the ones that others have greatest respect for.
So...... please...... Can you help with this?

To start off, let's pick any one Mosaic law ...... this was chosen by my wife by opening early pages of the bible and placing her finger down until eventually there was a law underneath, and so fate decided this one:-

Deut {24:5} When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business:[but] he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.

OK..... So..... how many Christian business folks have a one-year paid leave (or leave of absence) scheme for their employee brides and/or grooms? If not, why not?

This is a Mosaic book

What your talking about is the laws of Moses

 

[exchemist]

It's time that I found out about this. One Christian might mention a law and quote from the Mosaic books, another could dismiss the same law but feel strong about other ones. Some of the more extreme Christians seem to want a Theistic Monarchy leading a Police State (oh yes!) whilst others focus upon love and understanding as the main message of Jesus. The range of tenets that fall under the title of Christianity are legion, I think.

And I cannot tie any of it down! Like willow-the-wisps some Christians will pick up and drop Mosaic Laws at whim (it seems) whilst totally disregarding the ones that others have greatest respect for.
So...... please...... Can you help with this?

To start off, let's pick any one Mosaic law ...... this was chosen by my wife by opening early pages of the bible and placing her finger down until eventually there was a law underneath, and so fate decided this one:-

Deut {24:5} When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business:[but] he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.

OK..... So..... how many Christian business folks have a one-year paid leave (or leave of absence) scheme for their employee brides and/or grooms? If not, why not?

The Ten Commandments are still regularly cited in Christian culture, though I do not think they have any formal status as "laws". Nothing else, so far as I am aware.

Christ says, in St Matthew's Gospel, that all the law and the prophets can be derived from just two principles which he called new commandments: to love God and to love your neighbour as yourself.

 

[pearl]

For Catholic Christians it is the Decalogue. To love God and love neighbor as yourself is the greatest of the commandments.

 

[oldbadger]

NO Mosaic law applies to Christians.

Thanks for the post.
OK, so I won't need to take notice of any OT laws quoted by Christians, is that right?

 

[oldbadger]

The Ten Commandments are still regularly cited in Christian culture, though I do not think they have any formal status as "laws". Nothing else, so far as I am aware.

Christ says, in St Matthew's Gospel, that all the law and the prophets can be derived from just two principles which he called new commandments: to love God and to love your neighbour as yourself.

Thankyou for that.
So far no OT laws count, then
That's cool so far, but don't hold your breath.

 

[oldbadger]

For Catholic Christians it is the Decalogue. To love God and love neighbor as yourself is the greatest of the commandments.

This going quite well so far.
Again, No OT laws count for much in Christianity, then.
Happy days.

 

[metis]

There are Two Commandments that Jesus taught we must follow, and I think we all know what they are, right?

 

[Jainarayan]

NO Mosaic law applies to Christians.

Except when it suits them to cherry pick and rail, moralize and legislate against anything same sex. And if one were even to invoke Paul in Romans and Corinthians, he’s basing his diatribes on the Mosaic Law. And given that Jesus himself said that “until Heaven and Earth pass away not one jot or tittle would be stricken from the Law”. Seems many Christians want their cake and eat it too when they should be on diets.

 

[exchemist]

Thankyou for that.
So far no OT laws count, then
That's cool so far, but don't hold your breath.

Well so far you've had replies from three Catholics and one Protestant. You probably need a more representative sample before drawing conclusions.

But I think I begin to see where you may be going with this - and if I'm right you have my full support.

 

[PureX]

It's time that I found out about this. One Christian might mention a law and quote from the Mosaic books, another could dismiss the same law but feel strong about other ones. Some of the more extreme Christians seem to want a Theistic Monarchy leading a Police State (oh yes!) whilst others focus upon love and understanding as the main message of Jesus. The range of tenets that fall under the title of Christianity are legion, I think.

And I cannot tie any of it down! Like willow-the-wisps some Christians will pick up and drop Mosaic Laws at whim (it seems) whilst totally disregarding the ones that others have greatest respect for.
So...... please...... Can you help with this?

To start off, let's pick any one Mosaic law ...... this was chosen by my wife by opening early pages of the bible and placing her finger down until eventually there was a law underneath, and so fate decided this one:-

Deut {24:5} When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business:[but] he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.

OK..... So..... how many Christian business folks have a one-year paid leave (or leave of absence) scheme for their employee brides and/or grooms? If not, why not?

Modern day Christians are not Jews. So, technically, there is no reason for any Christian to feel beholding to any Jewish religious law or practice. Jesus was a Jew, and was preaching mostly to Jews, so he admonished his followers to maintain their Judaic practices, and did so himself. But that was then, and we are not Jesus (a Jew). Also, back then, as now, Jews did and do not believe that non-Jews need to convert or to follow Judaic laws or ideals to find association with God. So there is just no logical reason for modern day Christians to presume they must follow any Jewish religious proscriptions.

 

[1213]

It's time that I found out about this. One Christian might mention a law and quote from the Mosaic books, another could dismiss the same law but feel strong about other ones. Some of the more extreme Christians seem to want a Theistic Monarchy leading a Police State (oh yes!) whilst others focus upon love and understanding as the main message of Jesus. The range of tenets that fall under the title of Christianity are legion, I think.

And I cannot tie any of it down! Like willow-the-wisps some Christians will pick up and drop Mosaic Laws at whim (it seems) whilst totally disregarding the ones that others have greatest respect for.
So...... please...... Can you help with this?...

I would say:

Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not give false testimony," "You shall not covet," [TR adds "You shall not give false testimony,"] and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love doesn't harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.
Romans 13:8-10

By doing so person fulfills God’s law and that is enough.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

It's time that I found out about this. One Christian might mention a law and quote from the Mosaic books, another could dismiss the same law but feel strong about other ones. Some of the more extreme Christians seem to want a Theistic Monarchy leading a Police State (oh yes!) whilst others focus upon love and understanding as the main message of Jesus. The range of tenets that fall under the title of Christianity are legion, I think.

And I cannot tie any of it down! Like willow-the-wisps some Christians will pick up and drop Mosaic Laws at whim (it seems) whilst totally disregarding the ones that others have greatest respect for.
So...... please...... Can you help with this?

To start off, let's pick any one Mosaic law ...... this was chosen by my wife by opening early pages of the bible and placing her finger down until eventually there was a law underneath, and so fate decided this one:-

Deut {24:5} When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business:[but] he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.

OK..... So..... how many Christian business folks have a one-year paid leave (or leave of absence) scheme for their employee brides and/or grooms? If not, why not?

The entire Bible is in complete effect for any thinking follower of the Lord.
As for Christianity, your guess is as good as mine. You already have your answer to that one.

Regarding your specific ‘law’, that you allegedly chose at random, I doubt you’ll find 100 Christians in the world, that know that one. And the ones that do, will most likely not see it’s spiritual meaning, and therefore they will turn it into whatever they desire. Similar to what they do to most of what is in the Bible.

 

[exchemist]

The entire Bible is in complete effect for any thinking follower of the Lord.
As for Christianity, your guess is as good as mine. You already have your answer to that one.

Regarding your specific ‘law’, that you allegedly chose at random, I doubt you’ll find 100 Christians in the world, that know that one. And the ones that do, will most likely not see it’s spiritual meaning, and therefore they will turn it into whatever they desire. Similar to what they do to most of what is in the Bible.

If you read this thread, you will see a remarkable degree of consistency in the replies.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

If you read this thread, you will see a remarkable degree of consistency in the replies.

Consistently wrong?

 

[Vee]

The 10 commandments are still pretty accurate to me.

 

[shmogie]

Except when it suits them to cherry pick and rail, moralize and legislate against anything same sex. And if one were even to invoke Paul in Romans and Corinthians, he’s basing his diatribes on the Mosaic Law. And given that Jesus himself said that “until Heaven and Earth pass away not one jot or tittle would be stricken from the Law”. Seems many Christians want their cake and eat it too when they should be on diets.

You have no idea what Paul is basing his doctrine on. You make assumptions, which are incorrect.

You don't like it, that's fine, that's your right.

You misquoted Christ, and took him out of context. He said the law wouldn't change "till all is fulfilled." All was fulfilled.

The law was given to Israel for Israel, the Jews. It was not given to the gentiles, it had no application to them. He was speaking to Jews.

The first covenant with Israel included their law.

The new covenant for Christians has it's law written in the NT. It eliminates most Jewish laws, modifies some, and reiterates some.

It is the law of Christ

 

[Terry Sampson]

This going quite well so far. Again, No OT laws count for much in Christianity, then. Happy days.

 

[Jainarayan]

You have no idea what Paul is basing his doctrine on. You make assumptions, which are incorrect.

What would he be basing his diatribes on? He was an orthodox Jew until his "conversion".

You misquoted Christ, and took him out of context. He said the law wouldn't change "till all is fulfilled." All was fulfilled.

The law was given to Israel for Israel, the Jews. It was not given to the gentiles, it had no application to them. He was speaking to Jews.

The first covenant with Israel included their law.

The new covenant for Christians has it's law written in the NT. It eliminates most Jewish laws, modifies some, and reiterates some.

It is the law of Christ

OK, let's say you're right. Then how do you explain the "clobber passages"? Why those and no others?