-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
Christians Only - What points of doctrine can I get wrong and still make it to Heaven
- Thread starter Squirt
- Start date
PHOTOTAKER
Well-Known Member
as long as you don't rebile aginst god, you will recieve a glory to what you deserve. if you have no testamony in jesus christ you will be the glory of the stars, but as long as you don't rebil agenst the creator (this would be if moses went agienst god after seeing him face to face to save the chosen people and didn't do as he was commanded) so its not what you get wrong its how your testamony is in jesus christ...
dawny0826
Mother Heathen
Squirt said:
You must believe that Christ is the ONLY way to salvation...the ONLY way to be reconciled with God. (John 3:16)
What may you not believe? Quite a complex question that I don't really have an answer to other than...if one does not accept John 3:16 to be truth...they've missed God's message and intent for our salvation.
PHOTOTAKER
Well-Known Member
being restricted beings is allot to get to be in the presents of god is a hole topic in itself. but just to get into hev'n you transpire to the telestial body which is like the the glory of the stars, these people have no knowledge or did not believe in Jesus Christ. the second is the body of terrestrial which its glory is as the moon, which you have a knowledge of Christ but did not have a testimony of the sprit. the third body is the celestial which is as the glory of the sun, for this you need a spiritual knowledge and other ordinances. I also believe that god will not put you in a glory that you do not want if you deserve a higher one, say you were sent to the terrestrial glory but all the people you know and care about are in the telestial glory then I believe you will have the choice to stay in the lower glory.
1corinthians 15:38-41 the part that is left out is in 41, this scripture shows three glories but the verse before only shows two, evidence that the bible is not the full and show the distortion of man. Further explanation can be found in D&C 76
so to answer your question the judgment of god will determine where you will go, but the atonement of Christ pays for our mistake so judgment will true and all debts paid by and thus appeasing mercy, this is why the atonement of Christ is so important. being restricted is a gift from god that all will receive freely, the glory of where we go is up to us as individuals the more we find the sprit of god (holy ghost) the more we become like unto the sprit of Christ and our glory is raised. If we don’t do as where commanded then our glory will be lower. Simple and easy as that.
1corinthians 15:38-41 the part that is left out is in 41, this scripture shows three glories but the verse before only shows two, evidence that the bible is not the full and show the distortion of man. Further explanation can be found in D&C 76
so to answer your question the judgment of god will determine where you will go, but the atonement of Christ pays for our mistake so judgment will true and all debts paid by and thus appeasing mercy, this is why the atonement of Christ is so important. being restricted is a gift from god that all will receive freely, the glory of where we go is up to us as individuals the more we find the sprit of god (holy ghost) the more we become like unto the sprit of Christ and our glory is raised. If we don’t do as where commanded then our glory will be lower. Simple and easy as that.
Some scriptures for you to agree with or disagree with:
Romans 10
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
John 14
6 Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend[a] it.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, This was He of whom I said, He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.
16 And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son,[f] who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
Romans 10
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
John 14
6 Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend[a] it.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, This was He of whom I said, He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.
16 And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son,[f] who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
A
angellous_evangellous
Guest
Squirt said:
This is an odd question.
We have various holy books and interpretative writings from various established churches that define the terms that you have in the OP: believe, Jesus Christ, and Heaven.
The New Testament defines heaven as afterlife with God, and to "go" "there" you confess that Jesus is the Christ.
Church tradition clarifies the definitions of the words, telling us who Jesus Christ is and what it means to confess that he is the Christ. According to church tradition, it means to confess that Jesus Christ is the One and Only God.
Mormon tradition, on the other hand, defines Jesus Christ differently and promises a different heaven.
====
IMO, I don't know where God's grace ends. It is completely impossible for us to understand God on our own, and it is hoplessly impossible for us to understand completely who God is. So we will always have misunderstandings about God, and I don't see how a small misunderstanding differs from a large one, because even the person who knows the most about God only has a small understanding of who God is.
As many have pointed out, if we were saved because of what we know about God, we would earn our salvation. I definately believe that the only fair way for God to judge people is by their works, and save who He chooses through Jesus Christ no matter what they believe. It just doesn't make sense that people are saved only by confession.
Super Universe
Defender of God
Denial of diety. That's it.
In my opinion you have to know God, or believe with absolute certainty that He exists and then turn your back on Him.
In my opinion you have to know God, or believe with absolute certainty that He exists and then turn your back on Him.
