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Christians what is your opinion of the following video

1213

Well-Known Member
christians what is your opinion of the following video

I think it is not entirely true. Many Christians believe in “Trinity”, but it is not Biblical teaching. Bible teaches about one true God that is greater than Jesus. And I believe He is the same as the God of Jews.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5

…the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

I think it is sad that many people have been misled by non-Biblical doctrines of men.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
I think it is not entirely true. Many Christians believe in “Trinity”, but it is not Biblical teaching. Bible teaches about one true God that is greater than Jesus. And I believe He is the same as the God of Jews.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5

…the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

I think it is sad that many people have been misled by non-Biblical doctrines of men.

But Jews don't believe in the trinity...They don't even support you religiously
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Does it matter if jews believe christian worship the same God as them or not? No it does not matter. The most important is that all people (regardless of religion) is loving and kind to each other
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
But Jews don't believe in the trinity...They don't even support you religiously
And what is your point? Many different religions has different beliefs about God or gods.

most likely most christians support jews because it is important to be loving and kind to each other. And also because christianity came from judaism. So Christians believe jews also have a relationalship with the true God
 
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Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
And what is your point? Many different religions has det different beliefs about God or gods.

most likely most christians support jews because it is important to be loving and kind to eash other

I'm glad you asked that. So while Christians have spent their tireless campaign against Islam for centuries. Muslims when remembering Jesus wish peace upon him.
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
I'm glad you asked that. So while Christians have spent their tireless campaign against Islam for centuries. Muslims when remembering Jesus wish peace upon him.
It is very good you love muslims. I love muslims too. It does not matter which religion people believe in, we are all humans and creation of God\Allah.
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
But Jews don't believe in the trinity...They don't even support you religiously
@1213 do not believe in the trinity

But yes the christian God is a little different than the muslim and jewish God. Judaism and Islam has more similar beliefs about who and what they believe God is. Christians believe in soft monotheism, and jews and muslims believe in strict monotheism
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
Whatever makes you comfortable

ok

the trinity

God cannot be 3 persons

Once a person thinks 3 persons their mind cannot conceive 1

i had a pastor once (back when I attended some Christian churches) come to a table where my wife, myself and some other people were sitting and say “I just wanted to see IF the holy spirit was back here”

that is so wrong on numerous levels, but shows the crazy ideas that can be generated when a person bases their religion on a false, man made (Nicaea council) doctrine

the Bible says in many places, that God is one

disclaimer: when I write a response, it is my opinion only
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
God is one, the same God for all. Notice it was the religious authorities that were more rigid, the common people were quick to say that we all worship the same God.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
@1213 do not believe in the trinity

But yes the christian God is a little different than the muslim and jewish God. Judaism and Islam has more similar beliefs about who and what they believe God is. Christians believe in soft monotheism, and jews and muslims believe in strict monotheism

I believe at its core, Judaism, Islam, and Christian have the same deity I just believe history and time have caused schisms in these belief systems.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
ok

the trinity

God cannot be 3 persons

Once a person thinks 3 persons their mind cannot conceive 1

i had a pastor once (back when I attended some Christian churches) come to a table where my wife, myself and some other people were sitting and say “I just wanted to see IF the holy spirit was back here”

that is so wrong on numerous levels, but shows the crazy ideas that can be generated when a person bases their religion on a false, man made (Nicaea council) doctrine

the Bible says in many places, that God is one

disclaimer: when I write a response, it is my opinion only

You reminded me of a paper I wrote long ago regarding Peter Abelard's thesis to defend the trinity. I said something (mind you this is based off faulty memory) to the effect of "is a roof the kitchen floor? Or are the inner walls like the outside walls? I argued that although you have one house with many dimensions and foundations that support one object you have distinct areas that signify their own independence in support of one structure."
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
I will comment from my experiences with Christians. (Let’s call me a Christian for this exercise, although virtually no Christians will call me that)

Maybe I have not seen this much but it seems like this is the first time I am hearing someone say "lets call me a Christian for this exercise". I dont know whether you put it in simple terms to be clear, but that's a very respectable term to use and is common in academia. Even in biblical studies or criticism, science, literature, law, and many other things. Or at least, people try. Nice.

the Rabbi says Christians are worshipping a different diety
My experience: this is quite correct. (for many) And some Christians worship no God. Isaiah 29:13-14.


keep in mind, these are my opinions only from my experiences with many Christians.

I have never come across Christians worshiping no God. Or did I misunderstand you?

You are right. If you are a Christian, you would say that you worship the same deity. So when taking opinion different people from different theologies will have different opinions. But that is not how you should analyse what a scholar or in this case, a rabbi says. You have to take it from the merit of the thesis presented.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Apparently, this rabbi thinks you worship a different deity than the Jews and Muslims yet (some or many of you) fight for Jewish theology which apparently is incompatible with Christianity. In fact, my understanding of idolatry from the readings of Maimonides, Christianity is considered Avodah Zarah (Strange Worship; or the worship of deities other than the God of Israel).

See the following:


The whole terrorism bit was a bit much especially considering he was making a terrible generalization but very clear in the video he said about Christianity "we are not allowed to believe in that."

Here is another where this Canadian Jewish guy walks around interviewing people in Israel from the West Bank, to other places in the Holy land. In the second video Arab Christians refer to God as Allah as well...How interesting.

I don’t believe Allah is the same God as YHWH, but a different god...


Who is “Allah”?

Allah is a contraction of al-Ilah, the name of the moon god of the local Quraish, Muhammad’s tribe, which they had worshiped with animal and human sacrifices for centuries before Islam was invented.




In Defense of the Faith
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Here’s a Jewish man that does believe Jesus is the Messiah.



He is not Jewish if he believes Jesus is the Messiah......See the following criteria. According to the website My Jewish Learning, they explain as follows:

"The Prophets (Nevi’im), who wrote hundreds of years before Jesus’ birth, envisioned a messianic age as a period of universal peace, in which war and hunger are eradicated, and humanity accepts God’s sovereignty. By the first century, the view developed that the messianic age would witness a general resurrection of the dead, the in-gathering of all the Jews, including the 10 lost tribes, to the land of Israel, a final judgment and universal peace."

We know through Jesus' ministries on earth world hunger still existed and there was no world peace based on the above description. Furthermore:

"Jews for Jesus is one branch of a wider movement called Messianic Jews. Members of this movement are not accepted as Jewish by the broader Jewish community, even though some adherents may have been born Jewish and their ritual life includes Jewish practices. While an individual Jew could accept Jesus as the messiah and technically remain Jewish — rejection of any core Jewish belief or practice does not negate one’s Jewishness — the beliefs of messianic Jews are theologically incompatible with Judaism."

The above addresses your reference of a Jew believing Jesus as the Messiah, something incompatible with Judaism.

In the following, Maimonides addresses the issue:

"Maimonides, in his Mishneh Torah, describes Jesus as the failed messiah foreseen by the prophet Daniel. Rather than redeeming Israel, Maimonides writes, Jesus caused Jews to be killed and exiled, changed the Torah and led the world to worship a false God."

See:What Do Jews Believe About Jesus? | My Jewish Learning

Christians are better off siding with Muslims on the subject of Jesus than Jews IMHO.
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
I don’t believe Allah is the same God as YHWH, but a different god...


Who is “Allah”?

Allah is a contraction of al-Ilah, the name of the moon god of the local Quraish, Muhammad’s tribe, which they had worshiped with animal and human sacrifices for centuries before Islam was invented.




In Defense of the Faith
Allah/YHWH is the same God. The arabic word for God is Allah
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Apparently, this rabbi thinks you worship a different deity than the Jews and Muslims yet (some or many of you) fight for Jewish theology which apparently is incompatible with Christianity. In fact, my understanding of idolatry from the readings of Maimonides, Christianity is considered Avodah Zarah (Strange Worship; or the worship of deities other than the God of Israel).

See the following:


The whole terrorism bit was a bit much especially considering he was making a terrible generalization but very clear in the video he said about Christianity "we are not allowed to believe in that."

Here is another where this Canadian Jewish guy walks around interviewing people in Israel from the West Bank, to other places in the Holy land. In the second video Arab Christians refer to God as Allah as well...How interesting.


I believe the Jews are forbidden to believe in Jesus as God so they invent Him as another god when He is the same God.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
I believe the Jews are forbidden to believe in Jesus as God so they invent Him as another god when He is the same God.
It's less about Jesus himself and more a want/need to emphasize as much as possible the differences between Judaism and Christianity, which, theologically, is much less compatible with Judaism than Islam.
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
It boils down to this: God is NOT triune and worshipping a man (Jesus) as God is idolatry.

Islam does not believe in the Trinity either. In fact, the words "Do not say that God has a son" are written on the Dome of the Rock.
 
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