Christians what is your opinion of the following video

[Muffled]

I will comment from my experiences with Christians. (Let’s call me a Christian for this exercise, although virtually no Christians will call me that)

the Rabbi says Christians are worshipping a different diety
My experience: this is quite correct. (for many) And some Christians worship no God. Isaiah 29:13-14.


keep in mind, these are my opinions only from my experiences with many Christians.

I believe your experience must be very limited along with your understanding of God and I am certainly a Christian who has the same God as Jews and Muslims in Jesus.

 

[Muffled]

It's less about Jesus himself and more a want/need to emphasize as much as possible the differences between Judaism and Christianity, which, theologically, is much less compatible with Judaism than Islam.

I believe all of God's word is equally compatible. There are differences because Jews refuse to believe God when He says something they don't like.

 

[Muffled]

I'm puzzled as to why Christians adopted the Old Testament in the first place. It's two different gods literally squished together and touted as being one.

Maybe it's a clue on the trinity thang that Christians get hung on.

Just squish things together and call it a day.

I don't believe there is any squishing. I believe the God in the OT is the same one in the NT.

 

[Muffled]

We are in agreement here.

I believe I agree also. The Trinity is one God.

 

[Harel13]

There are differences because Jews refuse to believe God when He says something they don't like.

Oh brother.

 

[Aštra’el]

In my literal understanding that echoes the second video Allah, Jehovah, Elohim, YHVH, Alaha, are all one and the same.

It is my perspective also that those names/ terms all refer to the same God, the God of Abraham/ Moses/ David/ Solomon/ etc, the God worshiped by Jews, Christians and Muslims worldwide.

Christians, however, emphasize the worship of Jesus. This is fine for those who believe Jesus is one and the same as God, through a Holy Trinity or some other means. I have no issue with it and it is their path to God. However, those who do not equate Jesus Christ with God might conclude that Christians are not worshipping the same deity as Jews. I don’t feel that way, but I understand when others do.

The attributes are something to consider also. The Old Testament God is a force of Creation, Destruction, and Order over Chaos. Jesus of Nazareth embodies unconditional love, compassion, mercy, forgiveness, empathy, humility, salvation, and deliverance. When you worship a deity you are also worshiping what they represent, and it affects who you are at your core. So from that perspective the two might appear as different entities.

I would just encourage Jews, Christians and Muslims to continue worshipping as they do. The way I see it, they have so much in common, it’s a wonder they haven’t merged into some massive hybrid religion together.

 

[1213]

But Jews don't believe in the trinity...

Yes, I know that and I think there is no good reason for them to do so, even for Christians, because it is not a Biblical idea.

And I find it sad that many have been misled by the idea of Trinity. It would be good, if people would know what is taught in the Bible, it could help them to see clearly, over the misleading doctrines of men.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

You reminded me of a paper I wrote long ago regarding Peter Abelard's thesis to defend the trinity. I said something (mind you this is based off faulty memory) to the effect of "is a roof the kitchen floor? Or are the inner walls like the outside walls? I argued that although you have one house with many dimensions and foundations that support one object you have distinct areas that signify their own independence in support of one structure."

i am far far far from being an expert at anything

but I believe stuff like anyone, and have no problem sharing my ideas when asked

 

[Epic Beard Man]

i am far far far from being an expert at anything

but I believe stuff like anyone, and have no problem sharing my ideas when asked

Well the sharing of knowledge is very much appreciated.

 

[InChrist]

He is not Jewish if he believes Jesus is the Messiah......See the following criteria. According to the website My Jewish Learning, they explain as follows:

"The Prophets (Nevi’im), who wrote hundreds of years before Jesus’ birth, envisioned a messianic age as a period of universal peace, in which war and hunger are eradicated, and humanity accepts God’s sovereignty. By the first century, the view developed that the messianic age would witness a general resurrection of the dead, the in-gathering of all the Jews, including the 10 lost tribes, to the land of Israel, a final judgment and universal peace."

We know through Jesus' ministries on earth world hunger still existed and there was no world peace based on the above description. Furthermore:

"Jews for Jesus is one branch of a wider movement called Messianic Jews. Members of this movement are not accepted as Jewish by the broader Jewish community, even though some adherents may have been born Jewish and their ritual life includes Jewish practices. While an individual Jew could accept Jesus as the messiah and technically remain Jewish — rejection of any core Jewish belief or practice does not negate one’s Jewishness — the beliefs of messianic Jews are theologically incompatible with Judaism."

The above addresses your reference of a Jew believing Jesus as the Messiah, something incompatible with Judaism.

In the following, Maimonides addresses the issue:

"Maimonides, in his Mishneh Torah, describes Jesus as the failed messiah foreseen by the prophet Daniel. Rather than redeeming Israel, Maimonides writes, Jesus caused Jews to be killed and exiled, changed the Torah and led the world to worship a false God."

See:What Do Jews Believe About Jesus? | My Jewish Learning

Christians are better off siding with Muslims on the subject of Jesus than Jews IMHO.

Thank you for the response and the info you shared. It sounds like (and it’s my view) that if a Jewish person believes Jesus is the Messiah, it may not be compatible with Judaism, but such a belief does not alter one’s Jewishness.

 

[RabbiO]

Oh brother.

Considering that @Muffled previously opined on another thread, in response to you, that he believes that Judaism, in most cases, is a denial of G-d, I’m not surprised. It’s not exactly inconsistent with other comments he has made over the years.

 

[Muffled]

Oh brother.

I believe you can claim the brotherhood of man but not a brotherhood in Christ which has a very different meaning.

 

[Muffled]

Considering that @Muffled previously opined on another thread, in response to you, that he believes that Judaism, in most cases, is a denial of G-d, I’m not surprised. It’s not exactly inconsistent with other comments he has made over the years.

I believe God is always consistent.