Christians who oppose homosexuality

[LittleNipper]

considerign your marital problems which you have discussed here before
do you not think that you may have a very biased and perhaps warped view of sex, sexuality and any topic related to this in general?

I believe that EVERYBODY has their share of problems. That doesn't negate what is the truth and is honest. If anything, I can be very sympathetic but still understand what is right. My own problems are not buried under a facade of hypocrisy. They are genuine.

 

[Autodidact]

I believe that EVERYBODY has their share of problems. That doesn't negate what is the truth and is honest. If anything, I can be very sympathetic but still understand what is right. My own problems are not buried under a facade of hypocrisy. They are genuine.

And what on earth makes you an expert on right and wrong?

If your problems are not buried under a facade of hypocrisy, and you oppose gay rights, then you're the exception.

 

[LittleNipper]

Well, neither does riding bicycles or typing on your computer.

The fact that homosexuality doesn't produce babies is a good thing. It means that any child borne to a gay person is wanted and planned for. The many unwanted, uncared for, abused and neglected children in the world are all born to irresponsible heterosexuals as a result of their dysfunctional sexuality.

Any child born to a practicing homosexual was not the end result of such a practice. One can only conclude that fornication, adultry, and homsexuality are strange bedfellows... There are at least a certain amount of abused and neglected children who were born to parents who then decided that sexual choices were more important than one's marriage vows or being a proper parent. Such evils are not only the sins some heterosexuals, nor are they alleviated through the encouragement of homosexuality.

 

[Mr Cheese]

I believe that EVERYBODY has their share of problems. That doesn't negate what is the truth and is honest. If anything, I can be very sympathetic but still understand what is right. My own problems are not buried under a facade of hypocrisy. They are genuine.

Well as a man, I dont think I can really discuss abdominal pains caused by menstruation

Or as a person of Ukrainian Jewish anscestry can I accuratly discuss the relationship between aboriginal tribes in Borneo and orangutangs.

As a non virgin though, I believe I can discuss sex. I do not really feel that virgin could give lessons on how to pleasure a man for example, at least not sincerely.

As one who has a relationship with sex in that it is abhorrent, dirty, sinful and disgusting, except for a very narrow perspective (or "occurance" ie between a man and a woman for procreation, which you are unable to act within thus ) I feel that your allusions are rather biased and colored; colored by the fact you are unable to interact in any sexual activity of mind, body or "spirit" that is not dirty, disgusting, shameful, abhorrent and giving in to satan in your belief system...

Given these facts I really question anythign you ahve to say on the matter. As a result I would argue it is almost akin to a meteriologist discussing seismic activity.

Sure we all have our problems, but I dont feel the need to tell women to stop whinging and suffer the pain...buck up little buckaroo...pain makes you feel alive, its God's punishment..or somethign similar.

I guess I could get a woman to punch me in the testicles once a month..and I could pass blood through my urinary tract (maybe the kidneys then? or maybe both, punched that is). Perhaps then I could appreciate and discover the pains that women have....

Or perhaps I could just be obnoxious and fully discuss women and menstruation cramps..and how they should as previously mentioned, just keep quiet.

As such then, I dont think your opinions and views really amount to much of anything, which is not a sleight on who you are, but what you believe...which I believe is well within the forum rules to mention.

(awaits another reprimand....)

 

[Storm]

Any child born to a practicing homosexual was not the end result of such a practice. One can only conclude that fornication, adultry, and homsexuality are strange bedfellows... There are at least a certain amount of abused and neglected children who were born to parents who then decided that sexual choices were more important than one's vows or being a proper parent. Such evils are not only the sins some heterosexuals, nor are they alleviated through the encouragement of homosexuality.

Nope. They're completely, totally irrelevant to homosexuality.

 

[Autodidact]

Any child born to a practicing homosexual was not the end result of such a practice.

Yup.

One can only conclude that fornication, adultry, and homsexuality are strange bedfellows...

Sorry, no idea what you're driving at.

There are at least a certain amount of abused and neglected children who were born to parents who then decided that sexual choices were more important than one's vows or being a proper parent. Such evils are not only the sins some heterosexuals, nor are they alleviated through the encouragement of homosexuality.

Yes, they are. Remember, homosexuality doesn't make babies.

Homosexuality is its own encouragement, since it is a form of love. It doesn't need encouragement and is not responsive to discouragement.

What does need to be encouraged is any responsible caring adults who are willing to care for the children that careless heterosexuals spawn.

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails.

 

[LittleNipper]

And what on earth makes you an expert on right and wrong?

If your problems are not buried under a facade of hypocrisy, and you oppose gay rights, then you're the exception.

What makes you one?

 

[LittleNipper]

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails.

And what exactly does the above have to do with Homosexual practices?

 

[LittleNipper]

Nope. They're completely, totally irrelevant to homosexuality.

So you are saying the homosexual might just be have BOTH kinds of sex. Of course no homosexual has even been guilty of have both heterosexual relations as well as homosexual ones...

 

[Storm]

So you are saying the homosexual might just be have BOTH kinds of sex.

Which?

 

[Mr Cheese]

Which?

both kinds of sex:

with socks on

and

in a car

 

[Autodidact]

What makes you one?

Did I claim to be one?

 

[Autodidact]

So you are saying the homosexual might just be have BOTH kinds of sex.

Maybe you should rephrase this; it doesn't seem to make sense right now.

 

[Autodidact]

And what exactly does the above have to do with Homosexual practices?

Love. Same-sex love or different-sex love, it's all love. And love is what matters.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Did I claim to be one?

he's asking you as a homosexual lesbian...what makes you not a child of satan

you devil you

 

[Storm]

So you are saying the homosexual might just be have BOTH kinds of sex. Of course no homosexual has even been guilty of have both heterosexual relations as well as homosexual ones...

The edit didn't make any sense of it. What are you trying to say?

ETA: Also, have you never heard of bisexuality?

 

[Father Heathen]

It's funny how their opposition to homosexuality is based solely on the bible, a book that gives instructions on how to sell your own daughter into sexual slavery.

"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)"

Thus, the bible makes for a ****-poor moral compass.

 

[Autodidact]

And doesn't actually prohibit lesbianism at all.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

I believe that EVERYBODY has their share of problems.

I will agree that most of us have are share of problems. If a world view is the only correct one. Would it not produce better people. There should be some behavior proof that your view is true and my view is false. Yet there is no evidence that is true. I see that bumper sticker "Christians are not perfect just forgiven." As an admit of defeat. If I except a belief system it better be logical and able to defend it self and create better people. If not its worthless. Any philosophy that is built in a vacuum is not valid in the real world.

 

[Zadok]

I am not meaning to make a generalization, but it seems that many Christians are against homosexuality simply because "the bible says we should." When asked why they do not think open-mindedly on the subject and come to their own conclusions on whether or not it's a sin (with God guiding them of course) they say "it is a sin to go against the bible and let in evil thoughts." From the bible, though, it says

[17:36] You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.

Does this not mean that God WANTS you to be open-minded? If so, how can doing so be a sin?

To begin with – I am not opposed to homosexuality. What a person does in private is something private. I am for anything that is of benefit and needful for society. If something benefits some small segment of society - that is not something of benefit and needful for society in general. Anyone can argue that being narcissistic makes “them” happy (or even a small circle within a society) but narcissism is not beneficial for any society.

So before I will stand up and say – I am for anything. I require a reason – not an excuse. I am pro heterosexual. I believe the benefit and reason for heterosexuality is that without it the human society would end in one generation. Therefore, I believe that society must openly support and provide favoritism to heterosexuality. If someone really believes that homosexuality is as necessary or as needed for society then I am open minded and I will consider your reasoning.

What I have found on this and other forums is that there is no open-mindedness from proponents of homosexuality and that if asked for any real reason or why homosexuality should be as valued as heterosexuality by society – I will be demonized for asking such a brazen question. Intimidation is not a valid argument and convinces me that every proponent putting forth such nonsense is themselves a negative and an un-needful element in a society run amok in selfishness.

So let me hear your arguments as to why society must support and praise homosexuality as something absolutely necessary or humans will cease to exist – or something as important?

Zadok