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Christmas No Longer Recognized As The Birth Of Christ

SDavis

Member
Read the passage again. Jesus used that language to condemn people who served God at the expense of serving their parents.
I totally disagree with you saying that he used that language to condemn people who served God at the expense of serving their parents - whatever that means.
So please read it again
 

SDavis

Member
If we believe the Bible, Jesus was both born during the reign of Herod the Great (died 4 BCE) and during Quirinius's governorship of Syria (began in 6 CE). There is no date for Jesus's birth that can be reconciled with the Bible.

The reason Christmas is celebrated at the end of December is because the date leant itself to co-opting pagan winter solstice festivals.
According to the Jewish customs which is written all through the Bible is how September between the 11th and 14th some say 17th was come up with.
Here are three and there are many more.
When Jesus Was Really Born — Jews for Jesus

When Was Jesus Christ Born? The Bible Says September 11, 3BC-The Day of the Feast of Trumpets



I think I use the word Romans winter solstice is what Christianity overtook and named the celebration for the birth of Christ.
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
Thank you for your reply.

I am aware of the origins of Christmas and its connection to the Roman holiday celebrations of the winter solstice.

My post is just to Christians hoping that they are aware that there is a falling away occurring right before their eyes as prophesied in the Bible.

And no no one should be forced to celebrate something they choose not to -whether they are unbelievers or are of a different religion.

But saying Merry Christmas isn't forcing anyone it's just something they don't want to hear because of its connection to Christ. Nor is taking out any displays or no longer selling items depicting the nativity forcing anyone.
Well, we have separation of church and state in the USA for reason, therefore the government can't promote a particular religion. That includes nativity displays in government buildings, which I assume which is what you are talking about. No one is prohibiting you from having one in your front yard.

Why would you expect me to say Merry Christmas to a Jewish person, Hindu, Buddhist, or atheist, or even to someone for whom I wasn't sure what their religion was? Happy Holidays works much better in those cases. I don't see why everyone is expected to say Merry Christmas to everyone, and if they don't it's construed as some sort of persecution of Christians. If I know a person is Christian, I will say Merry Christmas, but I don't always know that.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I totally disagree with you saying that he used that language to condemn people who served God at the expense of serving their parents - whatever that means.
So please read it again
It's in verses 3-6. Pay attention to the bit in blue. That's the behaviour Jesus is condemning:

He answered them,“And why do you disobey the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Whoever insults his father or mother must be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘If someone tells his father or mother, “Whatever help you would have received from me is given to God,”6 he does not need to honor his father.’ You have nullified the word of God on account of your tradition.
 

SDavis

Member
So then your actual answer to the question would be that you do not believe that everything happens according to gods plan?

You should probably stop dictating to me what I think and believe.
It will only make you look foolish.
Don't know how you come to that assumption that do not believe that everything happens according to God's plan.

And I am not dictating what you think and believe.

Your replies actually make you look foolish. And you can think I'm foolish all you want - I don't care what you think. Goodbye Bell
 

SDavis

Member
Well, we have separation of church and state in the USA for reason, therefore the government can't promote a particular religion. That includes nativity displays in government buildings, which I assume which is what you are talking about. No one is prohibiting you from having one in your front yard.

Why would you expect me to say Merry Christmas to a Jewish person, Hindu, Buddhist, or atheist, or even to someone for whom I wasn't sure what their religion was? Happy Holidays works much better in those cases. I don't see why everyone is expected to say Merry Christmas to everyone, and if they don't it's construed as some sort of persecution of Christians. If I know a person is Christian, I will say Merry Christmas, but I don't always know that.
I wouldn't expect for you to say Merry Christmas to a Jewish person, person of Islam Faith or Hinduism or any other Faith or none faith. But I asked you how would you know if they're not Christian to even make that distinction?
Personally I say Merry Christmas if one is faithless or of another faith and don't like the greeting, voice your opinion if you feel the need to and keep going. I wouldn't care if someone said made a greeting to me surrounding a holiday that they celebrated in whatever religion or faith they believe in. I would smile and say hello and go my way.
People seem to miss the point and I guess because they truly want to. The post it's not whether you say Merry Christmas it's about taking Christ out of Christmas it's about falling away of people from Christ. It is for Christians to be aware of the times we are living in.
 

Rachel Rugelach

Shalom, y'all.
Staff member
According to the Jewish customs which is written all through the Bible is how September between the 11th and 14th some say 17th was come up with.
Here are three and there are many more.
When Jesus Was Really Born — Jews for Jesus

There are no Jewish customs pertaining to the month and day of the birth of Jesus, as Jesus has no significance in Judaism. "Jews for Jesus" is an evangelical Christian movement and free to believe whatever they please, but they are not a Jewish religious authority of any kind.
 

SDavis

Member
There are no Jewish customs pertaining to the month and day of the birth of Jesus, as Jesus has no significance in Judaism. "Jews for Jesus" is an evangelical Christian movement and free to believe whatever they please, but they are not a Jewish religious authority of any kind.
I'll say it plainer according to ANCIENT Jewish customs the conception and the birth of Christ can be calculated through them. Do you understand me now. And I know you didn't even glance at either of those three links..... I haven't studied about Jews for Jesus no I am I speaking of them.
 

Rachel Rugelach

Shalom, y'all.
Staff member
I'll say it plainer according to ANCIENT Jewish customs the conception and the birth of Christ can be calculated through them. Do you understand me now. And I know you didn't even glance at either of those three links..... I haven't studied about Jews for Jesus no I am I speaking of them.

Especially not even ANCIENT Jewish customs have anything to do with Jesus. And, yes, I did glance at your Jews for Jesus link -- but only because I could use a laugh.
 

McBell

Unbound
Don't know how you come to that assumption that do not believe that everything happens according to God's plan.

And I am not dictating what you think and believe.

Your replies actually make you look foolish. And you can think I'm foolish all you want - I don't care what you think. Goodbye Bell
I have not made an assumption.
I have asked two questions.
Both of which you have gone out of your way to avoid giving a clear direct answer to.

Now that you have revealed that honest discourse is something you have no interest in...
 

Soandso

ᛋᛏᚨᚾᛞ ᛋᚢᚱᛖ
What cooperations can do is reprimand, write up, lay off for days, or terminate a person not following their rules.

Within reason, true. If someone refuses to say, wear a beard and hair net when they serve food, they can technically be fired for that. Usually it never gets to that point though since most people are reasonable enough to correct things they are doing at work. Usually when people are fired for reasons like this, it's an excuse to get rid of a worker with problem behaviors or by bosses who power trip and are just bad. The latter is unfortunate, but it does happen from time to time

What corporations cannot do is discriminate. Like I said before, a company can suggest that an employee say happy holidays instead of Merry Christmas but they cannot actually do anything about it without facing lawsuits. Usually that's big enough of a deterrent for companies to leave people alone who just want to wish people a Merry christmas, so there's nothing really happening here

Cooperations do not want to have lawsuits on their discrimination hands from no one and in these days people may sue you for sneezing. A company can fire you for any reason these days.

But why would anyone look for a reason to fire someone for simply saying Merry christmas? That makes zero sense to me - especially if someone is already trained and actively working as an employee. Working short staffed while trying to find a replacement worker who ISN'T Christian (with the risk of then saying Merry Christmas) with a population of 63% in the nation just because they want to discriminate seems very unlikely to me

If this is actually happening in real life though, you'll need more than "they CAN do this." Anyone can do anything. The question is; is this ACTUALLY happening in any meaningful way right now on a meaningful level? If so, I'd like to see some specific cases. Like - is McDonald's or some other major corporation doing this or is it a small business with like 10 employees? What's the detail behind the case?

Now for your articles you posted

The first one lists a lot of assumptions and doesn't include any actual information about anyone being fired for saying Merry Christmas. It's an opinion piece

The second article actually has some really interesting information in it, so thank you for posting that one. Ultimately though, she closes with this;

"But, I digress. So, what did we learn legally? Phrases like “Happy Chanukah” or “Merry Christmas” are probably not required tenants of anyone’s religious beliefs that are included in every conversation. As such, your company can probably restrict your use of religious greetings, but probably cannot force you to give them up altogether."

This is in reference to if things ever reach a legal level in the courts of law. It hardly ever gets to this point, but when it does there's some interesting legal parsing that happens

And for the third article, it seems to me like the lady just had a bad attitude and was fired for that. That's the problem with these cases. They only tell half of the story, and when it comes to employees their whole work history comes into play. It's never as simple as being fired for one specific reason usually, and if it can be distilled to discrimination, that evidence needs to be concrete or it's just assumptions imo

Discrimination does happen though, make no mistake, but is it happening on a meaningful level for this specific instance? Not that I can see. Is there potential for it? Sure, but there's potential for serial killers to live next door to me. That doesn't mean it's a fact of reality, though
 
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