Christmas

[jeffrey]

Pandmonk, I agree somewhat. What happened 1,500 years ago, I have no control over. I could care less about it being a pagan holiday at that time. And if you wish to celebrate that day for your own reasons, YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT! Call it what you may, believe what's in your heart. and celebrate it the way you choose.

 

[pandamonk]

Pandmonk, I agree somewhat. What happened 1,500 years ago, I have no control over. I could care less about it being a pagan holiday at that time. And if you wish to celebrate that day for your own reasons, YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT! Call it what you may, believe what's in your heart. and celebrate it the way you choose.

I agree that noone has any control over what happened back then. But we do(sort of)have control over what happens now, and there are many that don't recognise that the fetival is not just for Christians. I feel that they need to know that if they are going to be like that, then the festival/holiday is not for Christians either.

 

[jeffrey]

I agree that noone has any control over what happened back then. But we do(sort of)have control over what happens now, and there are many that don't recognise that the fetival is not just for Christians. I feel that they need to know that if they are going to be like that, then the festival/holiday is not for Christians either.

Excellent point. :jester3:

 

[muichimotsu]

Show me where it says to breathe. Show me where it says to drive a car. Show me where it says to post on a forum on the internet. :computer:

Gee, I guess that means that God really wants us to think for ourselves, when we've already figured a lot of this out.

 

[jeffrey]

Gee, I guess that means that God really wants us to think for ourselves, when we've already figured a lot of this out.

Refer to Net Doc's post #32. It's not hard, really.

 

[muichimotsu]

As long as Merry Christmas is said with a good meaning and not telling me that Christ is the reason for the season with an inflated ego, I'm fine with it.

 

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[pandamonk]

Many people are thrilled to get a White House Christmas card, no matter what the greeting inside. But some conservative Christians are reacting as if Bush stuck coal in their stockings.

Religious conservatives are miffed because they have been pressuring stores to advertise Christmas sales rather than "holiday specials" and urging schools to let students out for Christmas vacation rather than for "winter break."

Is adopting the 'holiday' terminology a way to comply with one of the basic freedoms granted to all Americans: freedom of religion? Or is it just a way of saying freedom FROM religion.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”

When “our Government” bans any religious expression even on “our Government controlled property” are they “prohibiting the free exercise thereof”? Is not the government practice of banning any religious expression a violation of our Constitution?

Nevertheless, have not the Religious conservatives been complaining about the commercialization of Christmas for many years now? So now, they have the opportunity to put the Christ back in Christmas by proclaiming the truth about the birth of Christ. To proclaim why we have added the giving of gifts to the Christmas celebration. Did not the three Wise men plus others bring gifts to the Messiah, the promised one, he who came to reconcile us with the Father and gave us the Holy Spirit so that we might believe? Did not Saint Nick give gifts to the “poor”? Did not Christ command us to care one for the other just as he did?

So be thankful that Christ is finality out of the secular/commercialization of Christmas? Now we can bring Christ into our homes, churches, hearts and lives and let the others fret about the commercialization of the Holiday Season.

We can still wish those we meet a Merry Christmas knowing that finally the true meaning of Christmas now has another chance of being proclaimed.

Praise be to Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Merry Christmas{/QUOTE]The true meaning of Christmas? Have you read any of what's been said in this thread? If not, i suggest you do!!!

 

[pandamonk]

I suggest you also read this

 

[jeffrey]

I finished our Christmas shopping yesterday, and I got to thinking. This commercialized Christmas isn't all bad. We spend loads of money on others... giving.. it that really so bad? I'm sure we could find people that are needy in give more to, but it's better then not giving al all. :Reindeer:

 

[pandamonk]

I finished our Christmas shopping yesterday, and I got to thinking. This commercialized Christmas isn't all bad. We spend loads of money on others... giving.. it that really so bad? I'm sure we could find people that are needy in give more to, but it's better then not giving al all. :Reindeer:

Commercialization is not all that bad, until it comes to parents who have little, to no money, and still their children still expect expensive presents. The Parents buy the presents, and everything is happy until the bill comes in.

 

[Ðanisty]

I fail to see why any of this matters. Some people celebrate Christmas and some people celebrate Saturnalia (and yes, I actually know people who do). They happen to be on the same day. So what? It doesn't lessen the significance for anyone. If there is a reason to celebrate, then do so and quit complaining. I don't understand why anyone would choose to be unhappy about the holidays. Just forget about what everyone else is doing and celebrate whatever you believe in.

 

[pandamonk]

I fail to see why any of this matters. Some people celebrate Christmas and some people celebrate Saturnalia (and yes, I actually know people who do). They happen to be on the same day. So what? It doesn't lessen the significance for anyone. If there is a reason to celebrate, then do so and quit complaining. I don't understand why anyone would choose to be unhappy about the holidays. Just forget about what everyone else is doing and celebrate whatever you believe in.

What if you have no reason to celebrate? It really doesn't matter, but many feel offended if you don't call it Christmas, or if you celebrate it and aren't christian. Many people say horrible things to hurt you because of it. So if they are going to do that then why not defend yourself? (Noone on here has done that, i just thought this might make a good topic to discuss)

 

[pandamonk]

Another good read