Churches burn in East Texas

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Here's where I need the anti-frubal.:tsk: Not a nice thing to say, whatever your views on religion. These are people's buildings, that matter to them, that they built with their money and that they care about. Also someone is likely to get hurt.

A church here in my town was burned down by arsonists just before Christmas.

In addition to the issues you touched on, there were major impacts for the community: the church was home to our town's food bank and had about 100 hampers of donated food and clothing for needy families awaiting distribution, all destroyed by the fire.

When they put out the call for donations to replace the hampers was the only time in recent memory that I've broken my normal rule of not donating to religious organizations.

 

[Humanistheart]

HUmanistheart - I assure you I'm not worried about you joining a band of arsonists. You strike me as the type that's a lot more talk than action anyway .

This is very true.

- and I certainly hope so since your ability to reason certainly seems impaired..

Well since you cannot counter my reasoning, if mine is impaired how poorly does that reflect on yours

So what you're saying is that since some feudal lords who called themselves Christians participated in the crusades 1000 years ago, that justifies some punkass sneaking around East Texas at night and setting fire to little country churches - churches who are supported by their local communities and who also offer support to those same communities?.

In the christian standard yes. But hey don't blame me, it's their golden rule, not mine. Also you're mistaken if you think the last example of destruction was in the middle ages or the crusades.We don't have to go back 1000 years, heck, we don't even have to go back 1000 days.

You're saying that since it was illegal but not immoral for Rosa Parks to sit at the front of the bus, it's illegal but not immoral for her great grandson (or the bus driver's great grandson) to break into a building where simple people gather together to pray, douse it with gasoline, and destroy it?.

No, the equavalent would be for her descendants to go to the church and force white people to stand while they sit. And again, that's by the CHRISTIAN standard. Since you clearly dont' like it I hope this has given you more of an insight into how bad christian theology really is.

By the way, just to clarify - there's been no indication that the fires are racially motivated. The churches have been black, white, and of mixed congregations - no one particular group or denomination has been targeted. Just Christians in general.

I never said there was a racial motive.

 

[Humanistheart]

A church here in my town was burned down by arsonists just before Christmas.

In addition to the issues you touched on, there were major impacts for the community: the church was home to our town's food bank and had about 100 hampers of donated food and clothing for needy families awaiting distribution, all destroyed by the fire.

When they put out the call for donations to replace the hampers was the only time in recent memory that I've broken my normal rule of not donating to religious organizations.

Alright, penguin wins. That's too sad to make any smart-*** commenets about.

 

[Autodidact]

The christian golden rule is do unto others what you would have done unto you. I'm sure I don't have to remind you how many buildings christians have destroyed through the years. By their own standard this action should be perfectly acceptable.

I really think you're being deliberately provocative, but anyway, it's wrong to punish X member of a group because of what Y and Z members of the same group do. We have a name for that. We call it prejudice.

 

[Humanistheart]

I really think you're being deliberately provocative, but anyway, it's wrong to punish X member of a group because of what Y and Z members of the same group do. We have a name for that. We call it prejudice.

Yes I was and yes I agree; but again, it's the christian's golden rule, not mine.

 

[Kathryn]

Humanist - the flaw is not in Christian doctrine, but in your understanding of it.

Christians are sinners and can also make poor choices, just like any other group of people. But by your line of reasoning, you're saying that these little country churches in East Texas deserve to be burned to the ground, and these communities and people deserve to be victims of arson, and to lose their personal belongings, because someone somewhere else lost theirs or had their property damaged and so this just sort of balances things out.

This is no different from going up to someone else's mom and slapping her in the face because somewhere, some mom didn't treat her kids right and that ****** you off.

I can hear you now - "Motherhood, what a crock of crap! Those moms I knew growing up put their careers ahead of their families' needs, so all moms suck! In fact, I hope that some moms get kicked around today - I hope they end up in the hospital and have to pay for it all out of their own pockets! I don't care whose mom it is, I don't care if she was the best mom in the world - there are some sorry moms out there and doggone it, because of them, all moms deserve to have their shins kicked - or worse, their houses burned down! Moms everwhere, you're guilty - guilty because - well, because you're moms and some of you suck!"

 

[Autodidact]

Yes I was and yes I agree; but again, it's the christian's golden rule, not mine.

Well we have a name for that, and here's what we call it:

Which, of course, requires no further response.

 

[Humanistheart]

Humanist - the flaw is not in Christian doctrine, but in your understanding of it.

No, it's in christian doctrine.

This is no different from going up to someone else's mom and slapping her in the face because somewhere, some mom didn't treat her kids right and that ****** you off.

It's very different, but if you don't think so perhaps you'd like to explain your reasoning of how this fire example and your mother slapping concept are somehow the same.

 

[Autodidact]

 

[Kathryn]

Auto - you're absolutely right.

 

[.lava]

A church here in my town was burned down by arsonists just before Christmas.

In addition to the issues you touched on, there were major impacts for the community: the church was home to our town's food bank and had about 100 hampers of donated food and clothing for needy families awaiting distribution, all destroyed by the fire.

When they put out the call for donations to replace the hampers was the only time in recent memory that I've broken my normal rule of not donating to religious organizations.

that's tragic.

i've never seen any news like these before. is it common to hear someone burns a church in USA? since when?


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[9-10ths_Penguin]

that's tragic.

i've never seen any news like these before. is it common to hear someone burns a church in USA? since when?


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I live in Canada. It's very uncommon here - virtually unheard of. I can't recall any similar events in recent memory.

 

[dust1n]

Question for all:

Was the Weather Underground bombing the Pentagon with nobody in it immoral?

 

[dust1n]

that's tragic.

i've never seen any news like these before. is it common to hear someone burns a church in USA? since when?


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It happens pretty often in America. Since about the 80's it's been somewhat frequent.

 

[Walkntune]

Since I've already addressed other posts like this I'll simply ask, AND?

That's what I call living up to your name???

 

[Kathryn]

We had a spate of church burnings about 20 years ago here, and then it became very infrequent - till the first of this year. Now ten burned in less than 8 weeks and three more broken into on the same nights as the last ones burned (Monday night).

The ATF is involved and the FBI but so far no solid leads on who's responsible.

 

[Father Heathen]

that's tragic.

i've never seen any news like these before. is it common to hear someone burns a church in USA? since when?


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When it does happen it's usually predominantly black churches that are targeted.

 

[Kathryn]

Not around here in East Texas. The last run of church arsonists twenty years ago did not target black churches, and these latest arsonists are not targeting black churches.

There doesn't seem to be any pattern at all except the frequency.

 

[KatNotKathy]

Question for all:

Was the Weather Underground bombing the Pentagon with nobody in it immoral?

Attacks against military targets are by default more moral than attacks against civilians.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

It happens pretty often in America. Since about the 80's it's been somewhat frequent.

Really?