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No need. You have just conceded that abortion is not murder and is morally acceptable.I'm getting a headache. See you when / if you want to discuss the topic of the thread.
My work here is done.
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No need. You have just conceded that abortion is not murder and is morally acceptable.I'm getting a headache. See you when / if you want to discuss the topic of the thread.
It actually comes from the State. Just as many States have also denied this right, with some killing over it. Sort of like how the State ultimately denied that "god given right" to slaves.The authority of Jehovah God - the supreme ruler of the universe.
Why do you, or others who do this, post such a thing when clearly this is not the case?No need. You have just conceded that abortion is not murder and is morally acceptable.
My work here is done.
I recently did the same. When one is dealing with what appears to be a rather immature poster it is sometimes a bit of an emotional relief to respond in the same vein.Why do you, or others who do this, post such a thing when clearly this is not the case?
Such "gotchas" are immature, don't you think?
Thanks for this. Very informative.The Biblical narrative is that circumcision is a sign of the Mosaic Covenant, not that foreskins offend God. As far as the biblical narrative is concerned no other group is required to take on the practice. IMO, circumcision being ubiquitous in the Afroasoatic world suggests that the Biblical account was constructed to serve as a religious justification for a practice that was already well established among all Semitic peoples anyway. The practice predates the religion.
As for Christians, there is no religious justification for it. Insistence on circumcision seems to me to be a mostly American thing. Here in Australia neither I or any one I grew up with was circumcised. (Not that I made a point in looking).
Just cuz something is natural doesn't mean it shouldNow consider the Atheist who doesn't believe God made anything, but we are just all animals, with some being more savage than others, and war is natural.
When men act out their nature... why does the Atheist complain?
Slippery slope.In some cases, yes. It's why some countries have assisted dying laws, and more are jining the list.
Facepalm!So what was the relevance of bringing it up?
My point is that your point is irrelevant. You can sneer at and mock the Biblical account all you want, but like it or not circumcision remains non-negotiable for Judaism. So any laws restricting circumcision must have a religious exemption. (Primarily for Jews).I acknowledged that in my post -- but you cut that part out. I guess you didn't want it to get in the way of your argument? My point was that there are easier, less painful and less drastic ways to render such a sign. A tattoo, for example.
According to whom?So any laws restricting circumcision must have a religious exemption.
There are still Christians that follow the Jewish laws. Why wouldn't there be an exception for them? Your interpretation of the Bible is different. So what? There's is different from yours.My point is that your point is irrelevant. You can sneer at and mock the Biblical account all you want, but like it or not circumcision remains non-negotiable for Judaism. So any laws restricting circumcision must have a religious exemption. (Primarily for Jews).
As long as there is a religious exemption (again mostly for Jews and Muslims) I would have no issue with laws that otherwise restrict the practice. There is no basis for it in Christianity and it would only take a generation or two before the "but daddy was circumcised" type rationales fall into irrelevance.
Sounds you have very strong convictions and would see it as a great injustice if someone tried to stop you from following them.The authority of Jehovah God - the supreme ruler of the universe.
Hence why no man can stop the worship of Jehovah's people.
Individuals they can kill, or imprison, but imprisonment does not stop us. Death - only momentarily.
I thought you knew this.
What did Jesus say to the man that said, "Do you not know that I have authority to release you and I have authority to execute you?"
Jesus said, "You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been granted to you from above." John 19:8-11
I think the right for Jews (and Muslims) to practice their religion is an important consideration. I think circumcision is distasteful, but I recognize its requirement in Judaism as coming from a genuine religious commitment.According to whom?
I think the religious requirement must be an established one. Idiosyncratic claims to a religious feeling aren't good enough. Coptic and Ethiopian Christians would have a case (I think I've read that those communities require it of those born into their faiths). But Evangelicals who want to feel a 'connection to Abraham' by having their sons circumcised should be told to take a hike.There are still Christians that follow the Jewish laws. Why wouldn't there be an exception for them? Your interpretation of the Bible is different. So what? There's is different from yours.
What of religions that practice FGM, including FGM-lite,My point is that your point is irrelevant. You can sneer at and mock the Biblical account all you want, but like it or not circumcision remains non-negotiable for Judaism. So any laws restricting circumcision must have a religious exemption. (Primarily for Jews).
If I made the laws there would be no religious exemptions. It's obscene that religion gets a free pass on child abuse because it's "religion."I think the right for Jews (and Muslims) to practice their religion is an important consideration. I think circumcision is distasteful, but I recognize its requirement in Judaism as coming from a genuine religious commitment.
No tolerance for FGM, IMO.What of religions that practice FGM, including FGM-lite,
which is on par with male circumcision?
I understand your position and I am sympathetic. But I think the right of Judaism to exist is more important than the desires of those who find male circumcision distasteful.If I made the laws there would be no religious exemptions. It's obscene that religion gets a free pass on child abuse because it's "religion."
Seems sexist, ie, bodily autonomyNo tolerance for FGM, IMO.
There are different kinds of FGM, someFGM and male circumcision are not comparable. Neither Islam or Christianity require it in any case.
Judaism would continue to exist if circumcisionI understand your position and I am sympathetic. But I think the right of Judaism to exist is more important than the desires of those who find male circumcision distasteful.
As I mentioned before, there are plenty of guys who suffer from premature ejaculation who would LOVE to be a bit less sensitive. Less sensitivity may well mean that more stimulation is required, but you can't just assume that the end result is in some way inferior. It's POSSIBLE that guys who are less sensitive and require more stimulation end up having more satisfying orgasms. My point is that it's impossible to know for certain.You can assume that as the uncircumcised man has that dense cluster of nerve endings still intact.
So someone other than the affected person getsAs I mentioned before, there are plenty of guys who suffer from premature ejaculation who would LOVE to be a bit less sensitive. Less sensitivity may well mean that more stimulation is required, but you can't just assume that the end result is in some way inferior. It's POSSIBLE that guys who are less sensitive and require more stimulation end up having more satisfying orgasms. My point is that it's impossible to know for certain.