Circumcision without consent. Is it wrong?

[Revoltingest]

Male circumcision is far different from FGM. It's still unnecessary and, in my opinion, should be banned except for consenting adults, but millions of men live normally even after circumcision, unlike what FGM often does to women.

Again, I oppose all non-medical surgery on
those unable to give consent, male, female,
or other.
See post #75 for complexities of the issue.

By the way, this is my opinion as a circumcised male.

OK.

 

[The Hammer]

Circumcised vs. Uncircumcised - What is Circumcision? | Family Doctor

Circumcision (male) - Mayo Clinic.

Info on circumcision for people's reading and viewing pleasures.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Just as it is not wrong to pierce ones daughter's ears without consent... Or is that wrong.

Yes, that's also wrong.

How about this as a general principle: let's not do things that inflict pain on little kids without a very good reason.

... and the parents' vanity or their desire to undermine the religious freedom of the adult the child will become are not good reasons.

 

[ppp]

I had it done to me... it never affected my life negativity.

Do you really think that is some sort of valid standard? You're okay with it for you, therefore everyone else should be?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Again, I oppose all non-medical surgery on
those unable to give consent, male, female,
or other.
See post #75 for complexities of the issue.

OK.

I dunno -- wouldn't it be kind of fun to give your newborn nicely shaped ears like a Tolkien elf? Or maybe bind their feet so that they never get above size 2 -- and so what if they can't walk properly? You won't have to buy new shoes every other month!.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I had it done to me... it never affected my life negativity. Obviously I didn't know about it until much later. No little kid gets to decide what medical procedure they need. If they did most would opt out of needed surgeries.

Just out of curiosity, do you know if you would have felt more, less or the same sensations during sex if you hadn't had it done? What if you're missing exstatic because you were condemned to experience just very nice, without having a say?

 

[Revoltingest]

I dunno -- wouldn't it be kind of fun to give your newborn nicely shaped ears like a Tolkien elf? Or maybe bind their feet so that they never get above size 2 -- and so what if they can't walk properly? You won't have to buy new shoes every other month!.

Is that common up there in Canuckistan?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Is that common up there in Canuckistan?

There's nothing "common" up here. With less than 40 million of us, and all this land, it's rare to even run into somebody!

 

[Revoltingest]

There's nothing "common" up here. With less than 40 million of us, and all this land, it's rare to even run into somebody!

Do you know @Wirey?
He's up there somewhere.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Circumcision done correctly doesn't ruin sex, I don't know where people are coming up with that.
And it has a lot of advantages.
Having said that we did not do it to our boys.
I think it's kind of silly to say that it is wrong because they can't consent, when it's legal to terminate an unborn child without his consent.
And this is just a medical procedure with little consequence.

Circumcision decreases sensitivity.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Like most American men I was circumcized as an infant. However, when my son was born we opted to forgo the procedure. My religious and conservative inlaws weren't happy with our decision. One of his aunts stated "now other boys will make fun of him." Ridiculous. Besides, I don't think anyone with that mindset would admit to cockscoping anyway.

What was the reason they didn't like it?

 

[stvdv]

Circumcision done correctly doesn't ruin sex, I don't know where people are coming up with that.
And it has a lot of advantages.
Having said that we did not do it to our boys.
I think it's kind of silly to say that it is wrong because they can't consent, when it's legal to terminate an unborn child without his consent.
And this is just a medical procedure with little consequence.

You got them all check mate there

 

[Revoltingest]

You got them all check mate there

Only for those who believe a fetus is the same thing as a baby.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Just as it is not wrong to pierce ones daughter's ears without consent... Or is that wrong.

That too is wrong. Unnecessary body modifications should NEVER be performed on those who are not consenting.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Those who are circumcised are often circumcised when they are just a few days old, like me. Can an 8 day old baby consent to such a procedure? Of course not.
In the Protestant church my parents were going to when I was born, it was common practice for the Christians there to circumcise their children. So that’s what my mom did. We aren’t Jewish. It’s not required of us Christians. When I realized I was circumcised (whilst in high school) I was quite quite mad.
Circumcision has permanent effects on the male who is at the receiving end. At the very least shouldn’t they get a say in it? Imagine if a female got an equivalent to a male circumcision. That would F up their capacity to be intimate at least in some degree.
If you feel circumcision is wrong without consent, do you also feel that way for the Jewish people? Their religion demands that they do this, right? Is it wrong for a Jewish person to circumcise their baby?
I feel like Moses had some reservations about circumcision. He didn’t circumcise his kids, even at the threat of God killing him. It was his wife who cut the foreskins off their sons when God was chasing them.

Probably mentioned already, but if you are going to wait until the age of consent to have a circumcision, it will probably be quite painful.

 

[stvdv]

If you feel circumcision is wrong without consent, do you also feel that way for the Jewish people?

IMHO:
If it is scientifically proven to be generally unnecessary then it is definitely Adharmic. But do remember that smoking also harms the (un)born child, as well as giving food that science marked as unhealthy

Best way is to let Science determine how much this torture is needed, right? Then the experts can debate with the religion. The winner decides. "God said so" is obviously unacceptable in this case, just some common sense arguments are allowed

Of course science has done this... which begs the interesting question why they still do it, right? Scientists as well as religious (fanatics)

Note: Medical emergency excluded
Note: Remember that doctors pledged to help and not harm

 

[stvdv]

Their religion demands that they do this, right? Is it wrong for a Jewish person to circumcise their baby?

You get to the crucial questions:

How about freedom of religion
How about freedom to bring up your own children
Does religious torture traumatising children trumps science?
etc

 

[stvdv]

I feel like Moses had some reservations about circumcision. He didn’t circumcise his kids, even at the threat of God killing him. It was his wife who cut the foreskins off their sons when God was chasing them

Thanks. Great Bible facts, I did not know that

This proves that religious people should not do it

 

[stvdv]

Only for those who believe a fetus is the same thing as a baby.

No, you got that clearly wrong

 

[Revoltingest]

No, you got that clearly wrong

That's cuz I gots no Bible learn'n.
A baby isn't a fetus. Huge difference
there. So the other poster's claim is
bogus.

Edit...
Make that "booOOooOOooOOoogus!"