Civility

[SomeRandom]

Frankly, I'm pretty concerned with how unruly our public discourse is becoming.

I think blaming "the media" is a cop-out, as they're only responsible for their content. We are responsible for our response to that content. We are also responsible for our acceptance of said content. I think, were we a more discerning public, we wouldn't have half of the problems that we do with information manipulation.

Bad ideas are bad ideas, and I'm a champion for discussing them, even to the point of raised voices. But civility and decorum go a long way in helping to change the minds of those you disagree with, especially on emotionally touchy subjects.

In logical and formal debate, the cardinal rule is to always address the idea being presented, and not the presenter, their baggage, or external, non-presented topics. Fallacies are always fallacies, even if you're filled with copious amounts of righteous indignation.

Wasn't lack of civility in public discourse the scourge of our collective humanity in our parents' generation when they were using weird beat nick/hippie slang?
Although I am curious as to what you define as "bad ideas."

 

[Audie]

When one of the sides is nazis? Yeah, I feel pretty comfortable calling all of one side "bad"

If one side were "nazi" that would make some sense.

I kinda get the impression that you figure "all bad"
also applies to any other than your take on other
issues that you listed earlier.

 

[Revoltingest]

That one reminds me of this one....

 

[fantome profane]

If one side were "nazi" that would make some sense.

I kinda get the impression that you figure "all bad"
also applies to any other than your take on other
issues that you listed earlier.

No if. One side were Nazi’s. And they were proud of it.

 

[Revoltingest]

If one side were "nazi" that would make some sense.

I kinda get the impression that you figure "all bad"
also applies to any other than your take on other
issues that you listed earlier.

A perspective we see here...
If we aren't on his side, then we are on the Nazi side.

 

[Audie]

No if. One side were Nazi’s. And they were proud of it.

Oh? I did not pay a lot of attn. Can you show me
why you say that?

 

[Audie]

A perspective we see here...
If we aren't on his side, then we are on the Nazi side.

Well, I hope not.

 

[pearl]

Frankly, I'm pretty concerned with how unruly our public discourse is becoming.

Civility in politics has gone the way of what opponents refer to as 'political correctness.'

 

[lewisnotmiller]

... as when Trump refers to the White Nationalists and informs us that there are good people on both sides.

... as when children are ripped from the arms of their parents.

... as when people of color are gunned down in the street.

... as when refugees are informed that they are the wrong religion and/or ethnicity to warrant refuge.

Yep - civility is certainly the problem upon which we should focus.

Not the biggest issue. Far from it. But perhaps the OP thinks rational discussion is the best path on these, and civility greases that wheel?

I'm not sure I agree, but not yet convinced I don't.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, I hope not.

No, it's just something they're prone to saying.

 

[Nakosis]

Frankly, I'm pretty concerned with how unruly our public discourse is becoming.

I think blaming "the media" is a cop-out, as they're only responsible for their content. We are responsible for our response to that content. We are also responsible for our acceptance of said content. I think, were we a more discerning public, we wouldn't have half of the problems that we do with information manipulation.

Bad ideas are bad ideas, and I'm a champion for discussing them, even to the point of raised voices. But civility and decorum go a long way in helping to change the minds of those you disagree with, especially on emotionally touchy subjects.

In logical and formal debate, the cardinal rule is to always address the idea being presented, and not the presenter, their baggage, or external, non-presented topics. Fallacies are always fallacies, even if you're filled with copious amounts of righteous indignation.

I wonder when folks are going to stop using Trump as an excuse for their incivility.

I get it, the dude is often a dick. Doesn't mean the rest of us have to start acting like one.

 

[Audie]

Civility in politics has gone the way of what opponents refer to as 'political correctness.'

I cannot figure out just what you mean by this.

 

[`mud]

hey Rev,
I must have missed the inclusion of the `hatred ` in your list.
Was this an apparent omission ?
And...Audie is a bit pernickety here, isn't she ?
I see the point, but to the basis of the argument ,
I just don't see any civility in anything Trump says or does.
Or his lack of morality, he's a lying phony, and always was.
I could go on, but it won't do any good... sooooo...
NuffStuff

 

[Revoltingest]

hey Rev,
I must have missed the inclusion of the `hatred ` in your list.
Was this an apparent omission ?
And...Audie is a bit pernickety here, isn't she ?
I see the point, but to the basis of the argument ,
I just don't see any civility in anything Trumps says or does.
Or his lack of morality, he's a lying phony, and always was.
I could go on, but it won't do any good... sooooo...
NuffStuff

Trump is indeed uncivil.
Doesn't make it right for his opposition to be so.

 

[Audie]

hey Rev,
I must have missed the inclusion of the `hatred ` in your list.
Was this an apparent omission ?
And...Audie is a bit pernickety here, isn't she ?
I see the point, but to the basis of the argument ,
I just don't see any civility in anything Trumps says or does.
Or his lack of morality, he's a lying phony, and always was.
I could go on, but it won't do any good... sooooo...
NuffStuff

I will pernik you, ya swab! Then you will
see what is what!!

Haha, but seriously, what do you think I
am being pernickety (sic) about, bseides
your dropping an "s"?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Trump and Bannon's comforting message to their followers is that it is OK to be an a***hole, basically. So we can all relax, get in touch with our inner a***hole.........and then go out and kick a few spicks and n**gers.

And you think the way to address people who would do that is to not kick up a fuss and treat them as members of polite society?

 

[Audie]

Trump is indeed uncivil.
Doesn't make it right for his opposition to be so.

Or to say that there is "no civility", which may be
what our friend sees, but, it is his chosen seeing.

My first beef with T was that he made me vote for
Hillary.

I sure dont, btw, see any sign that "the left" is
making the least effort to understand the
Trump vote, other than to daemonize all who
did, them deplorables.

They didnt see it ahead of time, and they
dont get it now.

 

[`mud]

hey Rev,
Is the word uncivil the same as hatred, I don't think so.
It's still not on your list !

 

[bobhikes]

It's each & every individual making a choice.

That is true but the internet is emboldening them by allowing them to close their world view which real life doesn't allow.

 

[Revoltingest]

My first beef with T was that he made me vote for
Hillary.

That rat ******!

They didnt see it ahead of time, and they
dont get it now.

It's easier to live in comforting anger by avoiding understanding.
Thus it becomes hating people, rather than discussing issues.