Classical Concert in Florida Cancelled

[lukethethird]

The law and warning against homosexual behavior is in the Bible.

So? What is that suppose to mean?

 

[Sirona]

"The King's Singers announced on Monday night that Pensacola Christian College had cancelled the ensemble’s scheduled performance on Saturday 11 February at short notice.

The school’s justification for the cancellation, the singers added, was to do with “concerns” around the “lifestyle” of the group’s members."

King’s Singers say Florida concert was abruptly cancelled over ‘concerns about... - Classic FM

Apparently one of the singers openly maintains a lifestyle that contradicts Scripture. Yep, he's gay.

They've performed there before (they sing songs from a variety of genres, not just classical) but the college seems to be upping its game in keeping the sinful (or whatever they are) away from their hallowed premises.

Where will this end?

 

[SomeRandom]

Where I live it's legal for women to go topless. Or to breast feed in public. Breasts aren't inherently sexual in nature.

Your post reminded me.
I was shopping the other day and I happened to pass by a woman who was casually shopping whilst openly breast feeding.
I don’t know the legality of such an act in my state admittedly. I don’t think that it’s ever been made illegal, technically.
And it took me more than a few seconds to really realise what I had witnessed.
I say this because in hindsight I’m kind of surprised no one around me cared at all. (Not that I cared either. A person can breast feed as much as the baby wants as far as I’m concerned. None of my business.)
My state is fairly conservative-ish and where I live there happen to be a large amount of retirees.
In fact the suburb near me called Peninsula Fair is nicknamed “Pensioner fair” by locals lol
Just kind of caught me off guard how even little old ladies apparently pretended not to notice.
Public breastfeeding here has been subject to various debates through the years. On whether or not it is socially acceptable. Maybe as a result everyone has just thrown up their hands and said, Ehh stuff it. We’ll just look the other way. Lol

In saying that there are various nude beaches near me. So maybe there is more of a relaxed culture towards nudity. At least in my neck of the woods

 

[Kenny]

You avoided my question. You have made statemnts that assert a homosexual lifestyle is wrong. What is the basis of your judgment?


Your words are clear. Could it be you just haven't thought through your thoughts and beliefs?

I am fine with a person living their personal life however they want.

Having thought through the issue, my belief doesn't agree with that choice but it doesn't hinder a person who disagrees with me to continue to live their lives according to their conscience.

 

[F1fan]

I am fine with a person living their personal life however they want.

Having thought through the issue, my belief doesn't agree with that choice but it doesn't hinder a person who disagrees with me to continue to live their lives according to their conscience.

Are you chosing a heterosexual lifestyle over a homosexual lifestyle? I'm not. The gay lifestyle isn't my thing either. I'm straight and that's all there is to it. You keep saying that gays living as gays is a decision as if they are chosing Coke versus pepsi. I have gay friends and some have said they tried to reject their natural impulses and try to act heterosexual. They faced a lot of prejudice in the 70-80's for being gay and tried to pretend. They weren't happy. My gay friends are happy now in committed relationships, and not having to pretend to be straight.

The difference between our views is that I see no problem with gay people being gay. In post 322 you wrote:

The issue, like the woman caught in the act, is "go and sin no more"-- not judgement but forgiveness and a helping hand. The man who steals -- go and steal no more, the man who hates go and steal no more.

This is what Jesus died for. For the thief who stole, paradise was waiting for him. For Saul who murdered and new life as Paul - go and murder no more.

In the case of a homosexual lifestyle, our position would be not judgment but forgiveness but go and sin no more. If I were judgmental, stop being judgmental and go and sin no more. (Of course people have different interpretation of what judgmental is. If someone is lying, saying don't lie isn't judgmental because one is correcting an act. Calling them liars is judgmental)​

Why are you suggesting gays are sinning and need to "sin no more"? Forgive them of what? Being gay? Living as a gay person? Who says the "gay lifestyle" is a sin that needs forgioveness? You have ignored this question twice. You said it, and you meant something by it. Where did you get these ideas?

Why would you say this at all when you opened this post with the sentiment:

I am fine with a person living their personal life however they want.​

You clearly aren't fine with it since you mentioned them, and implied them living as gay people is something God considers a sin, and should be stopped. The shame that Christians have presured many gay people to feel for being gay has led to many suicides, and ruined lives. The casualness of mentioning homosexuality suggests there's a serious lack of understanding and empathy.

 

[Kenny]

Are you chosing a heterosexual lifestyle over a homosexual lifestyle? I'm not.

I answered your question.

You don't have to like my answer. I'm fine with people having differences in viewpoints.

We still are people and, in light of my signature, God loves us all.

 

[F1fan]

I answered your question.

No you haven't. I asked where you heard that a gay lifestyle is a sin.

You picked up this religious idea from somewhere, and I'm curious who it was. If you don't want to reveal it then just say it's a secret. But that is very suspicious.

 

[Secret Chief]

choice

Sexuality is not choice. For example, you did not choose your sexuality. Or maybe you did once sit and muse upon the matter and after some thinking made the choice that you did. No; you did not.

Whether or not one then behaves in accordance to one's sexuality is of course a choice. But this choice can unfortunately be influenced by attitudes (such as bigotry) within one's society.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sexuality is not choice. For example, you did not choose your sexuality. Or maybe you did once sit and muse upon the matter and after some thinking made the choice that you did. No; you did not.

Whether or not one then behaves in accordance to one's sexuality is of course a choice. But this choice can unfortunately be influenced by attitudes (such as bigotry) within one's society.

There is a possibility that he did make a choice. A fair percentage of people are in between somewhat when it comes to their orientation. For them it may be a choice. Also many people assume that if it was not a choice for them then it was not a choice for others. The converse is true as well. Many people that made a choice assume that others made a choice too.

 

[Kenny]

Sexuality is not choice. For example, you did not choose your sexuality. Or maybe you did once sit and muse upon the matter and after some thinking made the choice that you did. No; you did not.

Whether or not one then behaves in accordance to one's sexuality is of course a choice. But this choice can unfortunately be influenced by attitudes (such as bigotry) within one's society.

Frankly, I disagree

If that were true, then those who lived in one lifestyle but decades later changed their lifestyle would be false.

The brain is so powerful, you can become whatever you want. As per my signature, we would say according to proverbs "for as he thinks within himself, so he is."

 

[Secret Chief]

Frankly, I disagree

If that were true, then those who lived in one lifestyle but decades later changed their lifestyle would be false.

The brain is so powerful, you can become whatever you want. As per my signature, we would say according to proverbs "for as he thinks within himself, so he is."

So one day it is possible that you will choose to be homosexual and then act on that choice?

PS I want to be a millionaire movie star and astronaut.

 

[lukethethird]

Frankly, I disagree

If that were true, then those who lived in one lifestyle but decades later changed their lifestyle would be false.

The brain is so powerful, you can become whatever you want. As per my signature, we would say according to proverbs "for as he thinks within himself, so he is."

So sexuality is a choice for you. Why didn't you say so sooner?

 

[lukethethird]

There is a possibility that he did make a choice. A fair percentage of people are in between somewhat when it comes to their orientation. For them it may be a choice. Also many people assume that if it was not a choice for them then it was not a choice for others. The converse is true as well. Many people that made a choice assume that others made a choice too.

Sexuality can be choice for some, but not for everyone. I think it depends on the orientation, as you say.

 

[F1fan]

Frankly, I disagree

If that were true, then those who lived in one lifestyle but decades later changed their lifestyle would be false.

We all change lifestyles over time. At one time I had no problem having sexual relationships with married women, but at one point I made a decision to not do that anymore. Lifestyle change. There’s people who are careless about birth control and will eventually make a change. And there have been gay people who pretended to be straight, usually due to social pressure, and after being gay was more acceptable they changed to their authentic and natural sexuality.

The brain is so powerful, you can become whatever you want.

Like pretending to be moral because a person classifies themselves as a Christian. Being a Christian is no guarantee of being moral, as we observe. You have a typical Christian attitude against homosexuality and won’t clarify where you picked it up. But we recognize the pattern as a common conservative attitude.

As per my signature, we would say according to proverbs "for as he thinks within himself, so he is."

Be careful to consider how you think as influenced by religion and culture.

 

[Kenny]

So one day it is possible that you will choose to be homosexual and then act on that choice?

possible but very not probable. It was more possible before I knew Jesus and my wife.

One can pretty much choose anything they want and act upon it.

 

[Kenny]

We all change lifestyles over time. At one time I had no problem having sexual relationships with married women, but at one point I made a decision to not do that anymore. Lifestyle change. There’s people who are careless about birth control and will eventually make a change. And there have been gay people who pretended to be straight, usually due to social pressure, and after being gay was more acceptable they changed to their authentic and natural sexuality.

Yes, that is one way to view it but I don't find scientific evidence for that.

Like pretending to be moral because a person classifies themselves as a Christian. Being a Christian is no guarantee of being moral, as we observe. You have a typical Christian attitude against homosexuality and won’t clarify where you picked it up. But we recognize the pattern as a common conservative attitude.

I picked it up by logic and through scripture. That being said, I have stated that I am no better than anyone else. All have sinned... my issues were just in a different field that was also changed.

Be careful to consider how you think as influenced by religion and culture.

Yes... no argument there.

 

[vulcanlogician]

Again... no disagreement. I wonder, however, like the news, the news makes it seem like it is more prevalent than in real life. If I go by the news, no one should live in Chicago because you will be murdered, streets are a mess and all the businesses are closed. That's what the news makes it seem like. Could it be that we hear all the hypocrisy at the expense of the majority that are doing good?

I'm not going off the news. I live in the Appalachian mountains... waaaay out in the hollers. 90% of my friends are Christians, some of them fundamentalists. A lot of them would buy into the idea that it's a good thing to stop this gay person from playing music. Granted, that's not how all of them feel, but the idea is there. These attitudes aren't some fabrication of the media.

If you were in charge of making the decision whether to cancel the concert or not, would you cancel it, Kenny? Why or why not?

 

[Kenny]

I'm not going off the news. I live in the Appalachian mountains... waaaay out in the hollers. 90% of my friends are Christians, some of them fundamentalists. A lot of them would buy into the idea that it's a good thing to stop this gay person from playing music. Granted, that's not how all of them feel, but the idea is there. These attitudes aren't some fabrication of the media.

If you were in charge of making the decision whether to cancel the concert or not, would you cancel it, Kenny? Why or why not?

1) It is a shame that they want them to stop playing. The gift is from God. But people are people and people have different views. Can you imagine if it were a doctor and people said "I want them to stop inventing medicine because they chose a gay lifestyle?"

2) The reality is that, biblically, no one is "more holier" than another. To not relate the issue but to exaggerate it to an extreme, if a man is a thief, I am still no more holier than him. I would need Jesus as much as the thief.

I'm sure that the Appalachian mountains just might might be different that a metropolitan area.

3) I would still hold onto the "media" viewpoint. Think of it.. you are waaaay out in the hollers and yet it is national news.

4) What would I do? wow... that is a difficult question since I really am not confronted with that situation. If I found out at the last minute, I believe I would have let them play anyway.

 

[lukethethird]

1) It is a shame that they want them to stop playing. The gift is from God. But people are people and people have different views. Can you imagine if it were a doctor and people said "I want them to stop inventing medicine because they chose a gay lifestyle?"

2) The reality is that, biblically, no one is "more holier" than another. To not relate the issue but to exaggerate it to an extreme, if a man is a thief, I am still no more holier than him. I would need Jesus as much as the thief.

I'm sure that the Appalachian mountains just might might be different that a metropolitan area.

3) I would still hold onto the "media" viewpoint. Think of it.. you are waaaay out in the hollers and yet it is national news.

4) What would I do? wow... that is a difficult question since I really am not confronted with that situation. If I found out at the last minute, I believe I would have let them play anyway.

"If I found out at the last minute, I believe I would have let them play anyway."

I see.

 

[metis]

Frankly, I disagree

If that were true, then those who lived in one lifestyle but decades later changed their lifestyle would be false.

The brain is so powerful, you can become whatever you want. As per my signature, we would say according to proverbs "for as he thinks within himself, so he is."

If we are to believe that God made all, then I'd also suggest that God made some with higher hormone levels in an area that doesn't match the "equipment", which is not at all unusual with many primates. Back during biblical times, people wouldn't have a clue about "hormone levels". Thus, since God made all, some He also made with gay tendencies because of their hormone levels that push them in that direction.

Thus, if homosexuality supposedly is a sin by living that lifestyle, then I'd suggest leaving such judgements to God because He made them that way.