Classified Documents Found In Biden's Personal Office

[esmith]

Well now it seems that classified documents from Biden's VP term were found in his office at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement in Nov. So, is Biden now in just as much trouble as Trump over mishandling of classified documents?
Classified documents from Biden's vice presidency found at think tank

 

[Revoltingest]

Well now it seems that classified documents from Biden's VP term were found in his office at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement in Nov. So, is Biden now in just as much trouble as Trump over mishandling of classified documents?
Classified documents from Biden's vice presidency found at think tank

This begs the question...
Is Trump in any real trouble because of classified documents?

Also....
The number & sensitivity of documents would be good to know.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Well now it seems that classified documents from Biden's VP term were found in his office at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement in Nov. So, is Biden now in just as much trouble as Trump over mishandling of classified documents?
Classified documents from Biden's vice presidency found at think tank

The documents has already been handed back to the rightful Office.
Biden did probably not do this on purpose. And as long both Biden and his current admistration working with the rightful owner of the document, he is not in big problem.
Certain other people whom refused to give document back freely are in bigger problems

 

[esmith]

The documents has already been handed back to the rightful Office.
Biden did probably not do this on purpose. And as long both Biden and his current admistration working with the rightful owner of the document, he is not in big problem.
Certain other people whom refused to give document back freely are in bigger problems

It is still mishandling of classified material. 18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

 

[Altfish]

Well now it seems that classified documents from Biden's VP term were found in his office at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement in Nov. So, is Biden now in just as much trouble as Trump over mishandling of classified documents?
Classified documents from Biden's vice presidency found at think tank

No, Biden is helping with the enquiry; Trump hindered it.

 

[ChristineM]

This begs the question...
Is Trump in any real trouble because of classified documents?

It also begs the question, is biden as current president entitled to those documents.
Or was trump as ex president entitled to the documents he held

 

[Spirit of Light]

It is still mishandling of classified material. 18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

Yes, it should not have happend, but are you aware that classified documents are often going missing, and just because you don't like Biden does not mean he did it on purpose.

Biden would be responsible for those documents, but as you may know, as soon as they were discovered, they were given back to the rightful owners.

I still remember Trump did not give his documents back freely....

 

[esmith]

It also begs the question, is biden as current president entitled to those documents.
Or was trump as ex president entitled to the documents he held

It makes no difference whether Biden is or is not entitled to the documents. From the link
Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

 

[Spirit of Light]

It makes no difference whether Biden is or is not entitled to the documents. From the link
Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

Why isn't Trump in prison yet then? Because of all the times he gone to court to try to keep the documents he say is "His" documents.

 

[ChristineM]

It makes no difference whether Biden is or is not entitled to the documents. From the link
Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

Ok so trump's freedom will soon be taken away...

 

[Left Coast]

It makes no difference whether Biden is or is not entitled to the documents.

Per your quote of the code, it apparently does.

"knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both."

Good luck in court.

 

[We Never Know]

It also begs the question, is biden as current president entitled to those documents.
Or was trump as ex president entitled to the documents he held

That also overlooks that Biden had them when Trump became president. Then Biden was neither vice president nor president

 

[Stevicus]

Why isn't Trump in prison yet then? Because of all the times he gone to court to try to keep the documents he say is "His" documents.

Trump claims that he declassified the documents while he was still President, which he would have the authority to do. So, if his argument has merit, then the statute wouldn't apply.

 

[ChristineM]

That also overlooks that Biden had them when Trump became president. Then Biden was neither vice president nor president

Did he?

 

[We Never Know]

Did he?

They were from when he was VP. So yes.

 

[We Never Know]

Trump claims that he declassified the documents while he was still President, which he would have the authority to do. So, if his argument has merit, then the statute wouldn't apply.

Trump didn't take the proper route to declassify them. Just saying "I did it" doesn't work.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Trump claims that he declassified the documents while he was still President, which he would have the authority to do. So, if his argument has merit, then the statute wouldn't apply.

The thing is, there has been zero paperwork about Trump declassifying any documents, He is not allowed to say "i hereby declassify these documents, he would need to document it and put it in record of everything he do as a president. That never happend

 

[Stevicus]

Trump didn't take the proper route to declassify them. Just saying "I did it" doesn't work.

Perhaps. I guess it will be worked out in court...someday.

 

[wellwisher]

The point that everyone is missing is that any President, has access to the top of the top secret food chain. They has top level access to all types of information. What is the difference if this data is in their memory or on paper, since it is the same data?

We do not erase the memory of the President when he leaves office. If any President was up to no good, for personal gain, their word would still be worth money, even without documents. This is why ex presidents get paid big bucks to lecture. They can skate around and still give out some useful information.

Classified documents is more often about sentiment, about a particular important time. It is often kept as a keepsake, and usually ends in their Presidential library or in boxes in the closet, with old photos.

In the case of Trump some of the assumed classified documents were harmful to the Swamp, which is why they made a stink. They could use their lawyers to deny Trump's memory. But they cannot hide from hard intel about Hunter and his laptop, written on official stationary, that has signatures and can be verified. This would be damming evidence, beyond just the memory of the document.

If you look at the ordering of document secrecy classifications, it begins with Confidential, next is it Restricted, then we have Classified, then we have Secret and finally we have Top Secret. Classified is sort of chump change, to someone, like a President who deals in Secret and Top secret. But if you are out of the loop, even confidential sounds very important. You will not see Confidential without low Low level security clearance.

If all you had was classified documents, you would not have all the best stuff than enemies crave, which is secret and top secret. You would have more like day to day operations, behind the good stuff, that will someday be de-classified. I doubt would either Biden or Trump would be cavalier with Secret and Top Secret data, since both in their own ways, are loyal to the country and neither would betray it.

But some of the meetings during their tenure, may be eventful to them, and they may wish to preserve these through the original documents, way outside top secret Q-area documents. Nobody has accuse either of Secret and Top Secret documents, so what is the big deal for a President, who know way more, other than the optics of politics. This is small change for a President. The Swamp Democrats started this nonsense. So what comes around should be able to go around. The Left is now finding common sense, they lacked during the coup.

 

[PureX]

Biden is the acting president of the US. He has access to all classified docements wherever he is. And I feel quite sure that his personal office is secured at all times.