Clear Contradictions in Baha'ism

[psychoslice]

Clear up the contractions in your own religion before trying to point out contradictions in others.

 

[psychoslice]

Exeuse me. I did not answer your question, because I do not like to change the topic.

Also, by Allah, when I were trying to investigate the truth, I tried to judge freely. I even tried to force myself that I think that the sayins of Baha'ullah for example in Aqdas, are indeed the words of Almighty God.

I pray and worship only God, not Prophets. So, if I become sure that a person is the Prophet of that God, I surly follow him.

Well don't you believe Muhammad is a prophet, and don't you put him up on a pedestal ?.

 

[mojtaba]

Clear up the contractions in your own religion before trying to point out contradictions in others.

Please do not send off-topic posts. I do not see any contradiction in my religion, after judging freely about it.

 

[mojtaba]

Keep in mind that this thread is only about Baha'ism, not other religions.

Thanks.

 

[psychoslice]

Please do not send off-topic posts. I do not see any contradiction in my religion, after judging freely about it.

And here you are running down other beliefs, if you can't take it don't dish it out, look after your own backyard first.

 

[psychoslice]

Keep in mind that this thread is only about Baha'ims, not other religions.

Thanks.

Yes just how you want it.

 

[mojtaba]

From post 9 and what you bold, it looks like the author fliped the numbers around. The content is still the same, seeking the truth which is the oneness of humanity. Whether Baha... said it was the first or second principle is besides the point.

When you want to list the belifs of a religion, you can not say that the first one is A and the second one is B and the third is ...., and then, after about100 pages where you are going to list them again, you say that the first one is B and the second one is A .... .

Right?

 

[psychoslice]

Seeking peace
The Bahá'í community explicitly seeks to eliminate conflicts between religions, and to encourage cooperation between different faith communities.

Comparing beliefs
Bahá'ís do not believe that their faith contains the final and complete truth of religion. They think it is the most complete set of truths available in our present time, which is not at all the same thing.

Since Bahá'ís believe that all religions come from a single source they are happy to study other religions as 'earlier chapters of the same changeless faith of God'.

The Bahá'í faith is not an imperialist faith - it does not seek to end religious differences by getting the members of other faiths to become Bahá'ís.

How many religions can truly say they would do the above ?.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

When you want to list the belifs of a religion, you can not say that the first one is A and the second one is B and the third is ...., and then, after about100 pages where you are going to list them again, you say that the first one is B and the second one is A .... .

Right?

Logically, that is true. It's a contradiction in logic of numbers and organization off the text (the content) not the belief itself (the context).

 

[Sundance]

Bahā’u’llāh:
Whoever does not become a Baha’i is among the most ignorant of the people, even if he has mastery over all sciences.
(Bahā’u’llāh, Iqtidārāt wa chand loheḥ dīgar, p. 111)

Bahā’u’llāh:
Torment the deniers of Baha’ism.
(Bahā’u’llāh, Majmū`iy-i alwāḥ-i mubārak-ih, p. 216.)

This is odd for you, @mojtaba but I couldn't locate the ‘quotations’ in any of the databases of the Bahá’í Reference Library, which is the authoritative source for the authentic Writings of Bahá'u'lláh and ‘Abdu’l-Bahá. The above can only be found on anti-Bahá’í websites, many of which are Islamic in nature.

 

[mojtaba]

Seeking peace
The Bahá'í community explicitly seeks to eliminate conflicts between religions, and to encourage cooperation between different faith communities.

Comparing beliefs
Bahá'ís do not believe that their faith contains the final and complete truth of religion. They think it is the most complete set of truths available in our present time, which is not at all the same thing.

Since Bahá'ís believe that all religions come from a single source they are happy to study other religions as 'earlier chapters of the same changeless faith of God'.

The Bahá'í faith is not an imperialist faith - it does not seek to end religious differences by getting the members of other faiths to become Bahá'ís.

How many religions can truly say they would do the above ?.

This is indeed my purpose. What are things like what you have mentioned and what are the following sayings of Baha'i infallible leaders?!!!

Baha'ullah,

میزان کلّیه اینمقام است که ذکر شد هر نفسی بآن فائز شد یعنی مشرق ظهور را شناخت و ادراک نمود او در کتاب الهی از عقلا مذکور و مسطور و من دون آن جاهل اگر چه بزعم خود خود را دارای عقول عالم شمرد​

“The general criterion is what we mentioned and any soul who has success in it, meaning recognizes and realizes the Sunrise of Manifestation (meaning himself), will be mentioned in the Divine Book as someone who possesses reason or else he will be (mentioned as) ignorant even if he himself thinks that his reason equals that of the whole world,”
(`Abd a l-Ḥamīd Ishrāq Khāwarī, Mā’idiy-i āsimānī, vol. 7, p. 160. See this Bahai authentic website: http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS7/mas7-160.html#pg160)

Baha'ullah said,

اگر نفسی الیوم بجمیع علوم ارض احاطه نماید و در کلمه بلی توقّف کند لدی الحقّ مذکور نه و ازاجهل ناس محسوب​

If today, someone grasps all of the knowledge on earth but stops at the word ‘yes’ (meaning does not become a Baha’i), the Lord will not pay attention to him (ladī l-Ḥaqq madhkūr na) and he will be considered as the most ignorant amongst the people,”
(Bahā’u’llāh, Iqtidārāt wa chand lauḥ dīgar, p. 111. See, http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS7/mas7-144.html#pg144)

 

[psychoslice]

This is indeed my purpose. What are things like what you have mentioned and what are the following sayings of Baha'i infallible leaders?!!!

Baha'ullah,

میزان کلّیه اینمقام است که ذکر شد هر نفسی بآن فائز شد یعنی مشرق ظهور را شناخت و ادراک نمود او در کتاب الهی از عقلا مذکور و مسطور و من دون آن جاهل اگر چه بزعم خود خود را دارای عقول عالم شمرد​

“The general criterion is what we mentioned and any soul who has success in it, meaning recognizes and realizes the Sunrise of Manifestation (meaning himself), will be mentioned in the Divine Book as someone who possesses reason or else he will be (mentioned as) ignorant even if he himself thinks that his reason equals that of the whole world,”
(`Abd a l-Ḥamīd Ishrāq Khāwarī, Mā’idiy-i āsimānī, vol. 7, p. 160. See this Bahai authentic website: http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS7/mas7-160.html#pg160)

Baha'ullah said,

اگر نفسی الیوم بجمیع علوم ارض احاطه نماید و در کلمه بلی توقّف کند لدی الحقّ مذکور نه و ازاجهل ناس محسوب​

If today, someone grasps all of the knowledge on earth but stops at the word ‘yes’ (meaning does not become a Baha’i), the Lord will not pay attention to him (ladī l-Ḥaqq madhkūr na) and he will be considered as the most ignorant amongst the people,”
(Bahā’u’llāh, Iqtidārāt wa chand lauḥ dīgar, p. 111. See, http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS7/mas7-144.html#pg144)

What is meant there in the last paragraph is the truth, don't you believe Muslims have the truth ?.

 

[mojtaba]

Logically, that is true. It's a contradiction in logic of numbers and organization off the text (the content) not the belief itself (the context).

Thanks.
Yes. A person about whom Baha'is belive that he was infallible, after listing the beliefs, forgets the organization.

 

[mojtaba]

This is odd for you, @mojtaba but I couldn't locate the ‘quotations’ in any of the databases of the Bahá’í Reference Library, which is the authoritative source for the authentic Writings of Bahá'u'lláh and ‘Abdu’l-Bahá. The above can only be found on anti-Bahá’í websites, many of which are Islamic in nature.

1.Baha'ullah said,

اگر نفسی الیوم بجمیع علوم ارض احاطه نماید و در کلمه بلی توقّف کند لدی الحقّ مذکور نه و ازاجهل ناس محسوب​

If today, someone grasps all of the knowledge on earth but stops at the word ‘yes’ (meaning does not become a Baha’i), the Lord will not pay attention to him (ladī l-Ḥaqq madhkūr na) and he will be considered as the most ignorant amongst the people,”
(Bahā’u’llāh, Iqtidārāt wa chand lauḥ dīgar, p. 111. See, http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS7/mas7-144.html#pg144)

2.Baha'ullah said,

انتم يا احباء الله كونوا سحاب الفضل لمن آمن بالله و آياته و عذاب المحتوم لمن كفر بالله و امره و كان من المشركين​

'You, oh friends of God[ meaning Baha'is ], be clouds of grace for those who believe in God and his signs[ e.g., Baha'ullah ], and be certain torment for those who do not believe in God and are polytheists[ in Baha'i faith, polytheist means non-Baha'i ].'
(See, http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MR/mr-217.html#pg216)

 

[mojtaba]

'Abdul Baha siad,
'The divine principles in this luminous era are such that one must not insult anyone or attribute them to ignorance [by saying] that you do not know and I know.'
( Abdu’l-Bahā, Makātīb, vol. 1, p. 355. )

Baha'ullah said,
'Whoever does not become a Baha’i is among the most ignorant of the people, even if he has mastery over all sciences.'
( See the previous post ).

 

[Sundance]

1.Baha'ullah said,

اگر نفسی الیوم بجمیع علوم ارض احاطه نماید و در کلمه بلی توقّف کند لدی الحقّ مذکور نه و ازاجهل ناس محسوب​

If today, someone grasps all of the knowledge on earth but stops at the word ‘yes’ (meaning does not become a Baha’i), the Lord will not pay attention to him (ladī l-Ḥaqq madhkūr na) and he will be considered as the most ignorant amongst the people,”
(Bahā’u’llāh, Iqtidārāt wa chand lauḥ dīgar, p. 111. See, http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS7/mas7-144.html#pg144)

2.Baha'ullah said,

انتم يا احباء الله كونوا سحاب الفضل لمن آمن بالله و آياته و عذاب المحتوم لمن كفر بالله و امره و كان من المشركين​

'You, oh friends of God[ meaning Baha'is ], be clouds of grace for those who believe in God and his signs[ e.g., Baha'ullah ], and be certain torment for those who do not believe in God and are polytheists[ in Baha'i faith, polytheist means non-Baha'i ].'
(See, http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MR/mr-217.html#pg216)

I must ask: what is the English name of the text(s) from which you derived the quotations?

 

[mojtaba]

I must ask: what is the name of the text(s) from which you derived the quotations?

I don't know what do you mean. Please elaborate. Please exuse me, my English is not so good.

 

[Sundance]

I don't know what do you mean. Please elaborate. Please exuse me, my English is not so good.

Bahá’í Writings are available in all different languages, English included. What is the English title of those texts?

 

[mojtaba]

Bahá’í Writings are available in all different languages, English included. What is the English title of those texts?

See post #34. I have brought the links to the Baha'i official website, too.