Climate change denial

[Estro Felino]

Yes, there is this attitude of those who cannot see how particularly inexorable the destruction of our planet is: through the disappearance of lakes, rivers, and forests, that used to exist even 30,000 years ago, and that now are the result of the overexploitation of our planet.
More people on Earth= more human activities to produce all the electricity we need to support these people.
It's undeniable. We are destroying our planet, and the climate has definitively changed.
Nothing's gonna be the same again.

Why are so many people in denial?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes, there is this attitude of those who cannot see how particularly inexorable the destruction of our planet is: through the disappearance of lakes, rivers, and forests, that used to exist even 30,000 years ago, and that now are the result of the overexploitation of our planet.
More people on Earth= more human activities to produce all the electricity we need to support these people.
It's undeniable. We are destroying our planet, and the climate has definitively changed.
Nothing's gonna be the same again.

Why are so many people in denial?

Like I said so many times , people have to actually see the fire before they react.

Theoretical predictions that have proven to be **** poor and modeling that only works in the realm of ones imagination is not the way to go about it. That's for the egg heads not the rest of the population who hasn't a clue as to what the hell they are talking about.

 

[fantome profane]

Like I said so many times , people have to actually see the fire before they react.

 

[Estro Felino]

Like I said so many times , people have to actually see the fire before they react.

Theoretical predictions that have proven to be **** poor and modeling that only works in the realm of ones imagination is not the way to go about it. That's for the egg heads not the rest of the population who hasn't a clue as to what the hell they are talking about.

I still have a long term memory. And it turns out, my memory is excellent. It's one of the real gifts I have.
I vividly recall that when I was little, in the nineties, the summer was completely different. The temperatures in Summer were much lower and the rains more frequent. I remember everything.
The climate has changed, global warming is real. I also vividly recall the snowy storms in Sicily on the mountains. Now that snow is just something of the past.

 

[icehorse]

Like I said so many times , people have to actually see the fire before they react.

Theoretical predictions that have proven to be **** poor and modeling that only works in the realm of ones imagination is not the way to go about it. That's for the egg heads not the rest of the population who hasn't a clue as to what the hell they are talking about.

Indeed, humans have some deadly shortcomings. But we have to find ways to counteract those shortcomings, or we're doomed.

And yes, predictions about climate change have not been accurate, but that doesn't mean it's not happening. There are some things that are changing more quickly than predicted, like Greenland's glaciers melting, and it's fairly simple math to project how a green Greenland will impact sea level rise.

Humans are living in unsustainable ways - full stop. Topsoil is being depleted, fresh water sources are being depleted, fisheries and biodiversity in general are being undermined.

"Green" technologies are not truly green. EV's are not green, they just shift the problem. We must find humane, compassionate ways to reduce human population. As an example, we could enact a policy that gives SUBSTANTIAL financial rewards to women who reach menopause having had zero or one child.

 

[tytlyf]

Why are so many people in denial?

The fossil fuel industry controls the Republican party.
Groups like Koch industries are responsible for messaging to the conservative masses.
It's always amazed me how conservatives deny the science and trust the word of corporations responsible for the pollution.

 

[Estro Felino]

The fossil fuel industry controls the Republican party.
Groups like Koch industries are responsible for messaging to the conservative masses.
It's always amazed me how conservatives deny the science and trust the word of corporations responsible for the pollution.

I think that politicizing the environment is absolutely disgraceful.
All parties should be united in finding solutions, and to deal with the topic seriously.

 

[Laniakea]

I still have a long term memory. And it turns out, my memory is excellent. It's one of the real gifts I have.
I vividly recall that when I was little, in the nineties, the summer was completely different. The temperatures in Summer were much lower and the rains more frequent. I remember everything.
The climate has changed, global warming is real. I also vividly recall the snowy storms in Sicily on the mountains. Now that snow is just something of the past.

Not long ago, California was experiencing a mega-drought and water was running out. It was pointed to as an example of climate change. After about a decade, the rains returned and the lakes filled in and the wells were restored. So now the drought there is all-but-forgotten, and the fact that things balanced out didn't convince anyone of anything.
The climate there changed, and then changed right back to the way it was again, and that was before electric cars were much of a thing.

 

[Jimmy]

Yes, there is this attitude of those who cannot see how particularly inexorable the destruction of our planet is: through the disappearance of lakes, rivers, and forests, that used to exist even 30,000 years ago, and that now are the result of the overexploitation of our planet.
More people on Earth= more human activities to produce all the electricity we need to support these people.
It's undeniable. We are destroying our planet, and the climate has definitively changed.
Nothing's gonna be the same again.

Why are so many people in denial?

It’s not that people are in denial. I think most Christians are aware they will receive a new heaven and new earth when Jesus returns.

 

[Altfish]

Yes, there is this attitude of those who cannot see how particularly inexorable the destruction of our planet is: through the disappearance of lakes, rivers, and forests, that used to exist even 30,000 years ago, and that now are the result of the overexploitation of our planet.
More people on Earth= more human activities to produce all the electricity we need to support these people.
It's undeniable. We are destroying our planet, and the climate has definitively changed.
Nothing's gonna be the same again.

Why are so many people in denial?

Because big oil funds many political parties.

 

[Estro Felino]

"Green" technologies are not truly green. EV's are not green, they just shift the problem. We must find humane, compassionate ways to reduce human population. As an example, we could enact a policy that gives SUBSTANTIAL financial rewards to women who reach menopause having had zero or one child.

Great idea.

Not long ago, California was experiencing a mega-drought and water was running out. It was pointed to as an example of climate change. After about a decade, the rains returned and the lakes filled in and the wells were restored. So now the drought there is all-but-forgotten, and the fact that things balanced out didn't convince anyone of anything.
The climate there changed, and then changed right back to the way it was again, and that was before electric cars were much of a thing.

As you can see from the map, California is not in the dark red or light red area.
But this doesn't mean that there is no global warming. The Arctic is gone.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Like I said so many times , people have to actually see the fire before they react.

Theoretical predictions that have proven to be **** poor and modeling that only works in the realm of ones imagination is not the way to go about it. That's for the egg heads not the rest of the population who hasn't a clue as to what the hell they are talking about.

Are we still only at "theoretcial predictions?" Seems to me that extraordinary weather events are happening all over the planet, and these more and more common. This is easily checked. Global average temperature is unquestionably rising, and is now 2F (1C) higher since the start of the 20th century -- most of that occuring in the last 40 years. The ocean is warmer, and you can see this in dying coral reefs (home to the majroity of sea life).

The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased hugely. Data from NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost an average of 279 billion tons of ice per year between 1993 and 2019, while Antarctica lost about 148 billion tons of ice per year. Try thinking how much 279 billion tons is -- and then picture that multiplied by over 25 times, as that's the amount per year, each year.

Glaciers are retreating almost everywhere around the world — including in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska, and Africa. Satellite observations reveal that the amount of spring snow cover in the Northern Hemisphere has decreased over the past five decades and the snow is melting earlier.

The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing, since 1950. The U.S. has also witnessed increasing numbers of intense rainfall events -- and that should bring it home, if nothing else does. (USGCRP, 2017: Climate Science Special Report: Fourth National Climate Assessment, Volume I [Wuebbles, D.J., D.W. Fahey, K.A. Hibbard, D.J. Dokken, B.C. Stewart, and T.K. Maycock (eds.)]. U.S. Global Change Research Program, Washington, DC, USA, 470 pp, https://doi.org/10.7930/j0j964j6). These events, if nothing else, should bring it home to Americans. If not, it's because they're trying to ignore it, pretend it isn't true. That's a fool's game.

 

[Quintessence]

Well, the exaggerations and hyperbole is part of the problem and there's some of that in the very opening post. And while I personally think over-the-top rhetoric is more than warranted for these issues, it is also prone to creating denialism and backlash. It also isn't necessary.

Claiming there is any feasibility of the "destruction of our planet" is ludicrous nonsense. The Earth will still be here long, long after humans go extinct. Humans have absolutely no capability whatsoever of destroying the planet. Period. Full stop. It is dire enough to understand humans have precipitated a sixth mass extinction event. That is not "destruction of our planet" but it is basically several hundred orders of magnitude worse than genocide, at minimum. Climate change isn't even the main driver of this, it's symptomatic of the driver - humans. If you have a deep love of the world, the recognition is enough to want you to end yourself dozen times over because you know the world is better off without you in it. Yet the question is asked why the denial happens? Hmph. There are days I'd be happy to count myself among them.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, the exaggerations and hyperbole is part of the problem and there's some of that in the very opening post. And while I personally think over-the-top rhetoric is more than warranted for these issues, it is also prone to creating denialism and backlash. It also isn't necessary.

Claiming there is any feasibility of the "destruction of our planet" is ludicrous nonsense. The Earth will still be here long, long after humans go extinct. Humans have absolutely no capability whatsoever of destroying the planet. Period. Full stop. It is dire enough to understand humans have precipitated a sixth mass extinction event. That is not "destruction of our planet" but it is basically several hundred orders of magnitude worse than genocide, at minimum. Climate change isn't even the main driver of this, it's symptomatic of the driver - humans. If you have a deep love of the world, the recognition is enough to want you to end yourself dozen times over because you know the world is better off without you in it. Yet the question is asked why the denial happens? Hmph. There are days I'd be happy to count myself among them.

I like English because it doesn't allow metaphors. It's merciless towards metaphorical language, I see.
Destroy is of course, a figure of speech meaning "harmed irremediably". But we use it in our language because saying "harmed beyond repair" is less incisive.
I though it was obvious I didn't mean physically undone.

 

[We Never Know]

Yes, there is this attitude of those who cannot see how particularly inexorable the destruction of our planet is: through the disappearance of lakes, rivers, and forests, that used to exist even 30,000 years ago, and that now are the result of the overexploitation of our planet.
More people on Earth= more human activities to produce all the electricity we need to support these people.
It's undeniable. We are destroying our planet, and the climate has definitively changed.
Nothing's gonna be the same again.

Why are so many people in denial?

Carbon dioxide (CO2) can stay in the atmosphere for 300 to 1,000 years, but some estimates say it can last for thousands of years.

The Atmosphere: Getting a Handle on Carbon Dioxide - NASA Science

Part Two: Satellites from NASA and other space agencies are revealing surprising new insights into atmospheric carbon dioxide, the principal human-produced driver of climate change.

science.nasa.gov

The damage has been done. What we do today to battle climate change won't be felt for 300/1000's of years, if even then.
At current we have no choice but to keep making it worse

Meaning you and at least ten generations are stuck with the current situations.

Some people think going clean tomorrow will bring relief... It eventually may bring relief but not for 100's to 1000's of years.

 

[fantome profane]

Not long ago, California was experiencing a mega-drought and water was running out. It was pointed to as an example of climate change. After about a decade, the rains returned and the lakes filled in and the wells were restored. So now the drought there is all-but-forgotten, and the fact that things balanced out didn't convince anyone of anything.
The climate there changed, and then changed right back to the way it was again, and that was before electric cars were much of a thing.

Little fun trivia question for you. Guess when the hottest day in Earth recorded history was?

Ok, everybody make their guess.

Spoiler

It was monday.

Monday was the world's hottest day ever recorded — breaking Sunday's short-lived record

Global temperature records have been broken twice in a row this week.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[tytlyf]

I think that politicizing the environment is absolutely disgraceful.
All parties should be united in finding solutions, and to deal with the topic seriously.

All parties should, but 1 of the 2 parties in America is controlled by the "deny the science" industry.
The conservative voters are indoctrinated into the corporate oil/coal agenda.
The same party that criticizes corporate regulations and taxes.
Republicans. Putting corporate policies in front of worker policies for half a century

 

[crossfire]

I'm not a climate change denier. It is something that needs to be dealt with. The biggest thing I disagree with in our dealing with it is treating CO2 as a pollutant. Focus on decreasing the real pollutants instead of CO2. Plant more green plants to deal with the CO2 and help stabilize the landsacape.

The carbon trading scheme will only serve to wed corporations with government in the energy trade (joining government power with corporate power is one definition of fascism.) Energy production is only one aspect of climate change--protecting existing ecosystems and creating more ecosystems that can adapt is not getting enough attention, imo.

 

[tytlyf]

I'm not a climate change denier. It is something that needs to be dealt with. The biggest thing I disagree with in our dealing with it is treating CO2 as a pollutant.

CO2 is an air pollutant. You're doing the thing.
Your opinion is 100% shaped by corporate oil/coal agendas.
Someone taught you that opinion and I have a good idea of who the culprit is

In 2007, the Supreme Court ruled that CO2 and other heat-trapping emissions are air pollutants under the Clean Air Act, and that the government has the authority to regulate them. The EPA also considers CO2 a pollutant because of its role in climate change, not because of any direct health effects

 

[crossfire]

CO2 is an air pollutant. You're doing the thing.
Your opinion is 100% shaped by corporate oil/coal agendas.
Someone taught you that opinion and I have a good idea of who the culprit is

I came to this conclusion on my own, thank you. Green plants are the basis of our ecosystem(s). If you want more green plants, you don't smother their source of respiration.

Focus on the other pollutants, and let the green plants take care of the CO2.