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Climate change deniers... we're #1, we're #1

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Well, I, for one, think it is just spiffy that so many countries agreed to pretend to do something about climate change in Paris. How awesome is that, eh? From the news one almost gets the impression that serious and aggressive measures have been agreed to.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
In my email yesterday:

I wanted to report back to you after an intense week in Paris, where the global community was gathered for the COP21 UN Climate Summit.

Firstly, the recent tragic attacks in Paris, California and elsewhere weighed heavily on the week’s proceedings, so that the struggle against climate crisis was embedded in a landscape of terrorism and violence.

As global crises of climate, security, the economy, and democracy converge, we must redouble our efforts for transformational solutions to build a world of peace, justice, and human rights. I spoke about some of these solutions at a People’s Climate Summit conference on climate and militarism, which you can read more about here.

As the summit progressed and its final outcome took shape, it became clear that COP21 has failed to take the action necessary to prevent global climate catastrophe.

The voluntary, unenforceable pledges being produced by COP21 are entirely insufficient to prevent climate crisis. Scientific analysis shows that these pledges will lead us to 3 degrees centigrade global temperature rise - and that will be catastrophic.

Some of the pledges being touted as historic agreements could actually result in increases in emission of greenhouse gasses. Plans are adopting deceptive measures of success, such as reductions in the amount of carbon emitted per unit of GDP. Countries are claiming to be making progress when they are not reducing their actual pollution by a single ounce. Mother Nature doesn’t respond to such games. It is the real quantity of pollution that determines whether we will destroy the climate or save it.

Despite the seriousness of the threat, some of the major polluters remain committed to protecting the fossil fuel industry rather than taking serious action. I include in that group the United States, where President Obama’s promotion of the hydrofracking industry is leading to a spreading cancer of polluted groundwater and fracked gas pipelines. These pipelines, along with expansion of offshore oil drilling, have to be stopped if we are to make our required contribution to reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

The United States and other industrial nations are failing to adequately fund transition and adaptation efforts in developing countries. It is the US and major industrialized countries that are primarily responsible for climate change. We have both a moral and legal responsibility to compensate other countries for the damages we have inflicted, and to enable them to find sustainable paths to development that will raise their standards of living.

One area of progress in Paris was growing recognition of the need to limit the global temperature rise to 1.5 degrees centigrade, rather than 2.0 degrees. It is now clear that many countries will experience catastrophic damage from the higher target. Unfortunately, the current agreements won't even keep global warming below 3 degrees. However, the new international target of 1.5 degrees does provide a tool to push our local, state and national governments to accelerate the transition to 100% clean renewable energy as quickly as possible.

I had the honor of speaking to attendees of the Belong Forum in a program that included China’s deputy chief climate negotiator and other leading climate advocates. China has recently reoriented its economic planning to make climate protection a primary goal of its development plans. Also, as a result of its recent election, Canada has a government that is promising more vigorous support for climate protection.

The United States also needs to move forward.

The United States bears primary responsibility for killing hope for a binding international treaty to avert climate catastrophe. I will return to the United States determined to work to break the grip of the fossil fuel industry on Congress and the White House. Our country must begin to show the leadership the world needs at this critical moment in human history.

It's time for the people of all nations - whose future is being sacrificed by the failure of COP21 - to demand that their leaders live up to their responsibilities for protecting us from climate change.

We must insist that the polluting engines of planetary destruction be replaced by the clean, sustainable, just economy that we truly deserve.

We must take our future into our own hands, and give our children a livable world.

It’s in our hands!

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Sounds like the Summit didn't achieve much more than lip service. Sad :( , but can't say not expected.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
In my email yesterday:



Sounds like the Summit didn't achieve much more than lip service. Sad :( , but can't say not expected.
What is bizarre is that so many are hailing this as a landmark achievement.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
What is bizarre is that so many are hailing this as a landmark achievement.
Just what did it truly achieve though? That's what I'm wondering. It seems like the bystander effect. Everyone seems to be thinking they don't really need to do much because someone else will. It's just disappointing to say the least.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Just what did it truly achieve though? That's what I'm wondering. It seems like the bystander effect. Everyone seems to be thinking they don't really need to do much because someone else will. It's just disappointing to say the least.
I'm not even in the Climate Change camp and I am perplexed. It's all over the radio here about what a remarkable effort this has been and that great targets have been agreed to .... yadda, yadda, yadda... Like Hansen said, "It's bull****!" I think the attendees must have had phalanxes of media advisers ready and waiting to massage the message making hollow agreements sound like serious proposals to have a meaningful impact on climate change. If this is the best that the "serious" thinkers on the planet can come up with we really are doomed.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
I'm not even in the Climate Change camp and I am perplexed. It's all over the radio here about what a remarkable effort this has been and that great targets have been agreed to .... yadda, yadda, yadda... Like Hansen said, "It's bull****!" I think the attendees must have had phalanxes of media advisers ready and waiting to massage the message making hollow agreements sound like serious proposals to have a meaningful impact on climate change. If this is the best that the "serious" thinkers on the planet can come up with we really are doomed.
Pretty much.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
There is so very much we could be doing. So much to work on improving our effect upon the world. So much that could be done that would even improve, not only the planet, but our economy and more. I have yet to understand why we don't. It boggles my mind.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
There is so very much we could be doing. So much to work on improving our effect upon the world. So much that could be done that would even improve, not only the planet, but our economy and more. I have yet to understand why we don't. It boggles my mind.


For instance?
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I'm surprised to see folks on this thread who appear to at least see some reason for climate change denial. wow!

Why would scientists create such a hoax? To what end?
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
For instance?
Well, just one thing would be more investment in renewable energy forms. Whether through solar panel production and installation, or more wind farms, or more hydropower plants...the work needed to get those things up and running and maintain them would cause an increase in employment as well as actually reduce carbon emissions from producing electricity by other means (especially coal).
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
There is so very much we could be doing. So much to work on improving our effect upon the world. So much that could be done that would even improve, not only the planet, but our economy and more. I have yet to understand why we don't. It boggles my mind.
I agree, Draka. I really do. I have an unimaginably small carbon footprint, especially when charted throughout my lifetime as I have only recently begun driving. For my first 56 years, I did not own or drive a car, for example. (I have to drive now as I live in a rural area on an smallish island.) If climate change is SO serious I would expect the people I elect to DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL and damn the torpedoes. But everybody is simply patting themselves on the back.... It really makes no sense at all.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I'm surprised to see folks on this thread who appear to at least see some reason for climate change denial. wow!

Why would scientists create such a hoax? To what end?
I've moved away from the denial tripe. I'm just not convinced that the "believers" are actually serious. Their actions speak pretty loudly that they are full of hot air.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Well, just one thing would be more investment in renewable energy forms. Whether through solar panel production and installation, or more wind farms, or more hydropower plants...the work needed to get those things up and running and maintain them would cause an increase in employment as well as actually reduce carbon emissions from producing electricity by other means (especially coal).

I, like many others, have been looking at alternative and renewable energy since the mid seventies (that's 1970's). If there is a viable renewable and alternative energy that was cost effect as well as energy efficient it has yet to be revealed.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
I, like many others, have been looking at alternative and renewable energy since the mid seventies (that's 1970's). If there is a viable renewable and alternative energy that was cost effect as well as energy efficient it has yet to be revealed.
So, I guess several countries in Europe are, what, pretending to have the majority of their energy needs provided by renewables?
Here in Iowa we are producing a very large portion of our energy needs through wind farms. Those are a rising business too. Constantly more going up, people to maintain them. We regularly see the blades for the mills being transported through our town to local wind farms. The people driving them have jobs, the people building them have jobs, the people handling the admin side of it have jobs AND our energy is cleaner and cheaper to boot.
Why not invest in more?
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I, like many others, have been looking at alternative and renewable energy since the mid seventies (that's 1970's). If there is a viable renewable and alternative energy that was cost effect as well as energy efficient it has yet to be revealed.

My sense is that alternative energy is still more expensive. That said, in the US at least, we continue to pay ENORMOUS subsidies to oil corporations, while our R&D investments in alternate energy sources are tiny by comparison.
 
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