Cohen: “Trump is a racist, in private he is even worse.”

[sooda]

I can't tell if you are being serious or ironic.

Kanye isn't playing with a full deck.

 

[Kenny]

Then why on Earth did you bring up Hillary? Now you admitted to at best raising a red herring. Let's try to think logically instead of emotionally.

Context my dear friend, context.

 

[sooda]

Nope. However I am not merely considering my own view. Someone taking part in illegal conduct such as financial could see a "win" as a indication of a lawyer's willingness to defend someone considered guilty in the public court of opinions and with the ability to get a client out of charges. Stop thinking like you, start thinking like a criminal needing a lawyer. Lawyers are willing to represent people the lawyer considers guilty but they do it anyways be it based on the principle of due process like public defenders or cash cases like private lawyers for various high profile convictions.



Not if one is interested in a criminal clientele. Not all lawyers are saints.

Of course lawyers defend guilty people.. I was at the top of my class in civil litigation so I do know a little... but if a client won't pay you or listen to you, why bother?

 

[Shad]

Of course lawyers defend guilty people.. I was at the top of my class in civil litigation so I do know a little... but if a client won't pay you or listen to you, why bother?

Depends on how damaging the statement and acts are.

 

[Revoltingest]

No.
People see what they want to see, need to see, or love to see.

That's what I said (in different words).

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

A convicted self admitted liar says something and this should change someones mind?

Yes, sometimes. After all, that's kind of what happens when you get members of a criminal organization to turn state's evidence, isn't it?

Or would you prefer to ignore all that, too, and let the gangsters get back to doing what they do?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I wonder if this will be a dealbreaker for his base...I suspect not.

And you are probably correct...unfortunately. If I've learned anything from my years of discussing how people believe (rather than seek to know and understand), it's that truth, no matter how compelling, can't change the mind of a "true believer."

Not, in my opinion, one of the nobler of our human qualities...

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Mad? no, but when that someone else is a convicted, self admitted liar that probably has an axe to grind makes a lot of unsubstantiated claims about the person he may feel had something to do with his conviction, yes I will call their claims into question.

You ever wonder about the timing of these things?

Trump speaking with N Korea-- Cohen "Trump is racist"
Trump set to have a meeting with Putin- 12 indictments against alleged Russian trolls one day before

You calling yourself a liberal is a delusional lie.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

It's just sad that Mr Cohen has already shown that he has no honesty or integrity.

How did the US electoral system get any of these folks in to such important and powerful positions?

Is it time for the USA to look more carefully in to itself?

I agree. The political system in this country is a joke. Cohen admitted that eh continued to work for a racist president shows that this country and some of its adherents to political parties have no moral compass.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

What's going on here is a fundamental different basis for voting.
Approximately....
The anti-Trumpettes need a candidate whom they like & respect.
(Although it's odd that Hillary would fill that bill.) To them,
it doesn't matter as much what one would achieve in office.
But some of us vote based upon the effect a candidate would
have in office. If the net effect is good, then even a horrible
candidate would be better than a nice one who'd do a bad job.

So the anti-Trumpettes continue to rail & fulminate against Trump
personally, almost entirely ignoring what's going on with government
policy. All they care about is that they hate him. There's no defeating
that feeling because it's entirely legitimate.
Two very different perspectives....never the twain shall meet.

Problem is, it's just not all that compelling to me that for the most part, Presidents (or in my case, Prime Ministers) are all that directly linked to how the economy or social progress actually turns out. These things are immensely complex, and the delay in being able to see the outcome of any policy is usually many months, more often years.

Think of the weather. In our hemisphere, temperature and climate follow the sun by a couple of months. When the sun is at it's lowest point in the sky (Dec 21), you can expect the coldest weather about 2 months later, in mid to late February. Same in summer, when the sun is highest on June 21, the hottest days tend to be late August.

And these are physical outcomes of physical effects. Complex economic and social effects move more slowly, except possibly in declarations of war or emergency, which can speed everything up, but at immense economic and social cost, usually requiring a lot of healing afterwards.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Anyways, if people are going to accuse anybody of anything, the best would be to catch them red-handed at being a racist for all the public to see.

This has already happened, or do you prefer for you to see the actual act in hand for YOU to see it? I've already stated several sources in the past threads that Trump has been seen and have acted as a racist.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Depends on what evidence Cohen can provide. I've personally no reason to trust anything Cohen says, or any other lawyer/politician says for that matter. People can say whatever they want. IMO no point in listening unless they can provide evidence to back up their statements.

Did you see the video?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Donald J. Trump has employed people of all races, which proves he's hardly racist. ....

 

[Revoltingest]

Problem is, it's just not all that compelling to me that for the most part, Presidents (or in my case, Prime Ministers) are all that directly linked to how the economy or social progress actually turns out. These things are immensely complex, and the delay in being able to see the outcome of any policy is usually many months, more often years.

I don't credit or blame leaders for all things which happen during their reign.
But I do for things within their control.

Think of the weather. In our hemisphere, temperature and climate follow the sun by a couple of months. When the sun is at it's lowest point in the sky (Dec 21), you can expect the coldest weather about 2 months later, in mid to late February. Same in summer, when the sun is highest on June 21, the hottest days tend to be late August.

And these are physical outcomes of physical effects. Complex economic and social effects move more slowly, except possibly in declarations of war or emergency, which can speed everything up, but at immense economic and social cost, usually requiring a lot of healing afterwards.

Some things do appear to be independent of individual Presidents,
eg, 9/11 was the result of decades of foreign policy & poor security.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Wrong. Edwards use 1.2 million of campaign money to cover up an affair. The same thing people claim Trump did. Edward's won his case. Try again.



Optics.

Nope, you really have no clue as to how Edwards got off.

You have no clue when and how to use "try again" or logical fallacies. Edwards had a plausible excuse that Trump could not use.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Context my dear friend, context.

Not an excuse.

 

[Nakosis]

Did you see the video?

Yes, but everything presented was already known. Nothing here unexpected by a CEO. The campaign finance is murky. Lots of politicians run into problems with campaign finance. Usually they pay a fine as a violation. Meh, usually no one goes to jail over it. What they usually go to jail for is if they get caught lying under oath about it.

Trump is not a good guy, father, husband, politician or honest. None of that prevents a person from being elected president or holding office.

You want Trump out of office, vote him out. Seems obvious he's never getting impeached.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I’ve been saying it. Others have been saying it, but I guess the Trump base can’t hear it. Mr. Cohen can you speak louder for the people in back please?

But... but... but he has black supporters! He even lets them sit near him at rallies!

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I love when "no life" Simpson caricatures proclaim "social progressivism" in my other thread but can vote for a racist as if their proven racism is not a deal breaker to them ah the deluded.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

If only all the Trumpettes and Usual Suspects could be connected to generators today. So much spin going on.