COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

[74x12]

Notice the order of these scriptures which are in relation to the annual feastivals and special ceremonial sabbath plural that are not God's 4th commandment...

COLOSSIANS 2:16 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT OR IN DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY (feast day), or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAY (or Sabbath plural):

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give "BURNT OFFERINGS", and "MEAT OFFERINGS", and "DRINK OFFERINGS", "IN THE FEASTS", and in the "NEW MOONS", and in the "SABBATH" (plural), in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will also cause all her mirth to CEASE, her FEAST DAYS, her NEW MOONS, and HER SABBATHS plural, and all her SOLEMN FEASTS.

EZEKIEL 46:6 [6] And in the day of the NEW MOON it shall be a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish. [7] And he shall prepare a MEAT OFFERING, an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and for the lambs according as his hand shall attain unto, and an hin of oil to an ephah.

ISAIAH 1 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATH plural, THE CALLING OF ASSEMLIES (days of Holy convocation in the annual feast days), I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your new moons and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

Now let's be honest here, what do you think PAUL is referring to in Colossians 2:16 in regards to sabbath? He is referring to the annual "SHADOW SABBATH" plural connected to the annual "FEAST DAYS". Note that all references supplied are in reference to the annual feast days and use the exact same scripture as Paul is using in COLOSSIANS 2:16. These are the shadow ceremonial sabbath plural in "ORDINANCES"

HEBREWS 9:1-12 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE (Shadow) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

EPHESIANS 2:15 [1]5, HAVING ABOLISHED IN HIS FLESH the enmity, even THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES (not tables of stone - book of the law); for to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace;

HEBREWS 10 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings). Hebrews 10 {1} says that plain and clear. The Word does not say the Sabbath was the shadow of Christ which really makes no sense at all

JOHN 6:55 [55] For MY FLESH IS MEAT indeed, and MY BLOOD IS DRINK indeed.

HEBREWS 10:7-12 [7] Then said I, Lo, I come in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do thy will, O God. [8] Above when he said, SACRIFICE AND OFFERING AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERING FOR SIN THOU WOULDEST NOT, NEITHER HADST PLEASURE THEREIN; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW; [9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, WHICH HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND. [10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. [11] And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: [12] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

The ceremonial laws of the old are fulfilled in the new. New covenant...blood

LUKE 22 [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.

HEBREWS 13 [9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be ESTABLISHED WITH GRACE; NOT WITH MEATS, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. [10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. [11] For THE BODIES OF THOSE BEASTS, WHOSE BLOOD is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] WHEREFORE JESUS ALSO, THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, suffered without the gate.

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Summary; I believe Colossians 2:16 is in reference to the annual feastivals and special ceremonial sabbaths in ordinances not God's 4th commandment which is a weekly memorial of creation which is one of God's 10 commandments. It is impossible for the weekly Sabbath of creation as given in GENESIS 2:1-3 to be a SHADOW sabbath law as there was no sin, when it was created for mankind and it was a part of the finished work of creation set apart and blessed by God as a holy day of rest.

blessings

Alright, I'll read through these posts and get answer soon.
God bless

 

[3rdAngel]

Jesus is the "Sun of righteousness" (Malachi 4:2) that will a rise with healing in His wings. And it's written that the new earth will have no need of a sun for God will be the Light of it and the Lamb will be the Lamp. (Revelation 21:23) Maybe you can see where this is going. In that day there will be no sun; only Jesus and so the Light of that day will be Jesus. And This is why He will be the Sabbath or the day of God's rest in the new Jerusalem. Because the Light is day.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. (Genesis 1:5)

This is the day spoken of in Hebrews 4:7. The day of God's rest that is coming.

Buuut ... not only will Jesus rise then; but He rises now in our hearts if we'll have Him.

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: (2 Peter 1:19)

So then first the Day Star will arise in our hearts and that happens now if we Let Him and then in the end He will shine in the new Jerusalem and so enlighten the whole earth. Because we are the new Jerusalem if we believe. Then we are "living stones" built up as the temple of God. And so the Light of God will shine in us and so enlighten the world.

So in conclusion we can have the Lord of Sabbath the "Sun of Righteousness" arise in our hearts now and so there will be Sabbath day in our heart right now first. And then in the end it will fill all the earth.

This is why in Isaiah 28:11-12 the gift of the holy Spirit is called the "rest" and the refreshing. Because when you receive the holy Spirit that's the earnest of your inheritance or the down payment of the full sabbath day that is coming in the city of God. This way you will have a foretaste of that heavenly gift. (Hebrews 6:4) The Sabbath day of rest of God Almighty.

Isaiah 28:11-12 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. (Paul links this with gift of the Spirit in 1 Corinthians 14)


Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: (Matthew 3:11)

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. (Matthew 11:28)

Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. (John 4:10)

So it's inner peace and joy of the holy Spirit that is the Sabbath day right now my friend.

God bless

Hi thanks for sharing your thoughts here. I have had a look at your post and the scriptures you have provided here. I do not believe any one of those scriptures you have provided here say that JESUS is a Sabbath.

The scriptures teach that JESUS is "LORD OF THE SABBATH" that he made for all mankind *MARK 2:27-28 and the scriptures alone only ever define God's Sabbath as the "SEVENTH DAY" of the week *EXODUS 20:10; GENESIS 2:1-3 and MATTHEW 12:8.

I believe saying JESUS is the Sabbath is not biblical and also makes no sense. For example if you what you are saying to the scriprures you get this...

GENESIS 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2], AND ON THE SEVENTH DAY GOD ENDED HIS WORK WHICH HE HAD MADE; AND HE RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORK WHICH HE HAD MADE.[3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and SANCTIFIED IT: BECAUSE THAT IN IT HE HAD RESTED FROM ALL HIS WORK WHICH GOD CREATED AND MADE.

Note here in GENESIS 2:1-3 we have the origin of the Sabbath - God set apart the seventh day of the creation week before sin as a day of rest as a memorial of creation where he "BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY" and made the "SEVENTH DAY A HOLY DAY" of rest for mankind *MARK 2:27-28. The scriptures do not say God set himself apart, blessed himself and made himself holy. Let's look at EXODUS 20 where we are given God's 4th commandment Sabbath which refers back to GENESIS 2:1-3 and creation and the seventh day as a memorial of creation...

EXODUS 20:8-11
[8], REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY (GENESIS 2:3).
[9], Six days shall you labor, and do all your work:
[10], BUT THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD (God’s Word defining what the Sabbath is; it is the seventh day; GENSIS 2:2) : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates:
[11], FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY: WHY THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY, AND MADE IT HOLY (refers back to GENESIS 2:1-3).

Note is EXODUS 20:10 God's word defines what the Sabbath is? According to the scripture it says that THE SABBATH IS THE SEVENTH DAY!

Let's look at the new testament scriptures...

MARK 2:27-28 [27], And he said to them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath: [28], Therefore THE SON OF MAN IS LORD ALSO OF THE SABBATH.

MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

This is why I believe the scriptures teach that JESUS is LORD OF THE SABBATH DAY. They are not saying JESUS is LORD of himself or that JESUS is a Sabbath. That would also make no sense. The Sabbath is only ever defined in the scriptures alone as the "SEVENTH DAY" of the week and JESUS is the LORD of it.

Hope this is helpful

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Hi thanks for sharing your thoughts here. I have had a look at your post and the scriptures you have provided here. I do not believe any one of those scriptures you have provided here say that JESUS is a Sabbath.

The scriptures teach that JESUS is "LORD OF THE SABBATH" that he made for all mankind *MARK 2:27-28 and the scriptures alone only ever define God's Sabbath as the "SEVENTH DAY" of the week *EXODUS 20:10; GENESIS 2:1-3 and MATTHEW 12:8.

I believe saying JESUS is the Sabbath is not biblical and also makes no sense. For example if you what you are saying to the scriprures you get this...

GENESIS 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2], AND ON THE SEVENTH DAY GOD ENDED HIS WORK WHICH HE HAD MADE; AND HE RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORK WHICH HE HAD MADE.[3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and SANCTIFIED IT: BECAUSE THAT IN IT HE HAD RESTED FROM ALL HIS WORK WHICH GOD CREATED AND MADE.

Note here in GENESIS 2:1-3 we have the origin of the Sabbath - God set apart the seventh day of the creation week before sin as a day of rest as a memorial of creation where he "BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY" and made the "SEVENTH DAY A HOLY DAY" of rest for mankind *MARK 2:27-28. The scriptures do not say God set himself apart, blessed himself and made himself holy. Let's look at EXODUS 20 where we are given God's 4th commandment Sabbath which refers back to GENESIS 2:1-3 and creation and the seventh day as a memorial of creation...

EXODUS 20:8-11
[8], REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY (GENESIS 2:3).
[9], Six days shall you labor, and do all your work:
[10], BUT THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD (God’s Word defining what the Sabbath is; it is the seventh day; GENSIS 2:2) : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates:
[11], FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY: WHY THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY, AND MADE IT HOLY (refers back to GENESIS 2:1-3).

Note is EXODUS 20:10 God's word defines what the Sabbath is? According to the scripture it says that THE SABBATH IS THE SEVENTH DAY!

Let's look at the new testament scriptures...

MARK 2:27-28 [27], And he said to them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath: [28], Therefore THE SON OF MAN IS LORD ALSO OF THE SABBATH.

MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

This is why I believe the scriptures teach that JESUS is LORD OF THE SABBATH DAY. They are not saying JESUS is LORD of himself or that JESUS is a Sabbath. That would also make no sense. The Sabbath is only ever defined in the scriptures alone as the "SEVENTH DAY" of the week and JESUS is the LORD of it.

Hope this is helpful

Some people's minds are so confused by the constant flow of garbage pounded into them by the churches of this world that they cannot see the beautiful truth of God's six day creation and seventh day rest. All God asks is for people to REMEMBER this special day that He made holy. Their thoughts are so twisted that they make any excuse they can think of to ignore what God asks of them. So sad.

 

[sojourner]

Some people's minds are so confused by the constant flow of garbage pounded into them by the churches of this world that they cannot see the beautiful truth of God's six day creation and seventh day rest. All God asks is for people to REMEMBER this special day that He made holy. Their thoughts are so twisted that they make any excuse they can think of to ignore what God asks of them. So sad.

Pardon me, but I take exception to the term “constant flow of garbage.” Most denominations are very diligent in their theological understanding and very careful in their study of scripture and tradition. Most denominations are honest and forthright in disseminating that teaching to their members. And I think it’s both unfair and irresponsible of you to take a couple of bible verses out of context and insist that the apostles were wrong in celebrating the Resurrection on the first day of the week. Who do you think YOU are to question the apostles and those who stand in that sacred tradition? You’re not an authority and you’re certainly not either a theologian or a bible scholar. Some people are so assured of their own righteousness that they insist on pounding their own unsubstantiated adventist hooey into unsuspecting people, shaming those who disagree with them.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Pardon me, but I take exception to the term “constant flow of garbage.” Most denominations are very diligent in their theological understanding and very careful in their study of scripture and tradition. Most denominations are honest and forthright in disseminating that teaching to their members. And I think it’s both unfair and irresponsible of you to take a couple of bible verses out of context and insist that the apostles were wrong in celebrating the Resurrection on the first day of the week. Who do you think YOU are to question the apostles and those who stand in that sacred tradition? You’re not an authority and you’re certainly not either a theologian or a bible scholar. Some people are so assured of their own righteousness that they insist on pounding their own unsubstantiated adventist hooey into unsuspecting people, shaming those who disagree with them.

1. You can celebrate the resurrection any day you want. But the Bible says God rested on the seventh day and wants us to REMEMBER that day to keep it holy. 2. I question anyone who puts tradition over the word of God. 3. I do not need to shame anyone. Those who refuse to honor God's wishes shame themselves.

 

[74x12]

I'm not confused or twisted or making excuses and no church taught me the truth about the Sabbath.

God revealed the mystery of the sabbath to me and I'm trying to share it with people who have ears to hear and eyes to see. If you're not ready to receive it yet; I don't judge you. Just keep following God and your conscience.

I love the sabbath of God. Your earthly sabbath is only by Sol and not by the Light of God. As Sol rises and sets then your sabbath draws near and then it goes away again. So the preacher of Ecclesiastes said vanity of vanities all is vanity. And He included the rising and setting of your sun.

But I believe a better day is coming and is even now by the Light of God rather than Sol.

Isaiah 60 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

 

[sojourner]

1. You can celebrate the resurrection any day you want. But the Bible says God rested on the seventh day and wants us to REMEMBER that day to keep it holy. 2. I question anyone who puts tradition over the word of God. 3. I do not need to shame anyone. Those who refuse to honor God's wishes shame themselves.

1) That’s the day the Apostles designated, so that’s what we do.
2) I question anyone who buys into the heresy of sola scriptura.
3) And yet, you are doing just that.
4) Those who deign to speak for God without the proper ordination are crossing a boundary that ought not be crossed.
5) No one’s “forgetting” the Sabbath. I don’t know why you’re obsessing on this assumption of yours.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I'm not confused or twisted or making excuses and no church taught me the truth about the Sabbath.

God revealed the mystery of the sabbath to me and I'm trying to share it with people who have ears to hear and eyes to see. If you're not ready to receive it yet; I don't judge you. Just keep following God and your conscience.

I love the sabbath of God. Your earthly sabbath is only by Sol and not by the Light of God. As Sol rises and sets then your sabbath draws near and then it goes away again. So the preacher of Ecclesiastes said vanity of vanities all is vanity. And He included the rising and setting of your sun.

But I believe a better day is coming and is even now by the Light of God rather than Sol.

Isaiah 60 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

You say God revealed the "mystery" of the sabbath to you. God does not deal in mysteries. God reveals truth to all but some refuse to see it. God worked six days and rested the seventh day. That is no mystery. God blessed that seventh day and made it holy. That is no mystery. God wants people to remember that special day of rest. Again no mystery. It is only a mystery to people who are so blinded by the false teachings of the world's religions that they cannot see a plain and simple truth.

 

[3rdAngel]

1) That’s the day the Apostles designated, so that’s what we do.
2) I question anyone who buys into the heresy of sola scriptura.
3) And yet, you are doing just that.
4) Those who deign to speak for God without the proper ordination are crossing a boundary that ought not be crossed.
5) No one’s “forgetting” the Sabbath. I don’t know why you’re obsessing on this assumption of yours.

I would say, heresy is anything that teaches against what the scriptures teach. Everything in your post IMO is heresy as it simply teaches against the scriptures. Some people teach what you are proclaiming because they have no biblical support for their teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God.

According to the scriptures I believe JESUS warns us about those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God in MATTHEW 15:3-9 and says those who knowingly do so are not following God. PETER even says in his own words "We ought to obey God rather then men *ACTS 5:29. Yet you want to tell us not to believe and obey God's Word?

JESUS says that God's sheep hear his Voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear and follow are not God's Sheep *JOHN 10:26-27. The question we must ask ourselves is who's side are we on?

 

[sojourner]

I would say, heresy is anything that teaches against what the scriptures teach

I would say that heresy is whatever those in apostolic authority say it is.

Everything in your post IMO is heresy as it simply teaches against the scriptures

I don’t believe you know enough about either the scriptures or the apostolic faith to make that determination.

According to the scriptures I believe JESUS warns us about those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God in MATTHEW 15:3-9 and says those who knowingly do so are not following God

1) You’re a human being.
2) You’re following your own conscience rather than the Apostles’ teaching (as the Bible instructs). So who’s running afoul now?

 

[74x12]

• Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh. (Luke 6:21)
  
• Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep. (Luke 6:25)
  
• Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. (Matthew 5:6)

And

• The full soul loatheth an honeycomb; but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet. (Proverbs 27:7)

Isaiah 55:1-3
55 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
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Without understanding them the scriptures are unfruitful.

• Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. (John 5:39)
• Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. (Proverbs 4:7)
• When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. (Matthew 13:19)
• It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (John 6:63)

 

[74x12]

You say God revealed the "mystery" of the sabbath to you. God does not deal in mysteries. God reveals truth to all but some refuse to see it. God worked six days and rested the seventh day. That is no mystery. God blessed that seventh day and made it holy. That is no mystery. God wants people to remember that special day of rest. Again no mystery. It is only a mystery to people who are so blinded by the false teachings of the world's religions that they cannot see a plain and simple truth.

And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. (Luke 8:10)

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. (Luke 8:10)

Reply is not related to the subject of the sabbath. There is noparable about resting on the seventh day. To bring up mysteries and parables is like a person in quicksand grabbing at any straw that my save him.You continually fail to address the subject of God's day of rest.

 

[sojourner]

Reply is not related to the subject of the sabbath. There is noparable about resting on the seventh day. To bring up mysteries and parables is like a person in quicksand grabbing at any straw that my save him.You continually fail to address the subject of God's day of rest.

But it is related to your comment that God doesn’t deal in mysteries. And it refutes that statement quite adequately.

 

[3rdAngel]

Some people's minds are so confused by the constant flow of garbage pounded into them by the churches of this world that they cannot see the beautiful truth of God's six day creation and seventh day rest. All God asks is for people to REMEMBER this special day that He made holy. Their thoughts are so twisted that they make any excuse they can think of to ignore what God asks of them. So sad.

I would say there is a lot of truth in this statement of yours LWS IMO. People sadly do not question what they are being taught and do not read God's Word for themselves. Putting the teachings and traditions of men before the Word of God will be the undoing or many people in my opinion. Many are called but few are chosen. The many will find out too late what they lost because they did not believe and follow God's Word.

God bless and thanks for sharing your thoughts here

 

[3rdAngel]

I would say that heresy is whatever those in apostolic authority say it is.

Indeed. JESUS and all the Apostles kept God's 4th commandment Sabbath according to God's 4th commandment

I don’t believe you know enough about either the scriptures or the apostolic faith to make that determination.

I believe your statement here has been proven false all through this thread by providing both many scripture and historical references that show why you are in error.

1) You’re a human being. 2) You’re following your own conscience rather than the Apostles’ teaching (as the Bible instructs). So who’s running afoul now?

You have been provided the scriptures and historical fact as evidence to what JESUS and the Apostles as well as the early church taught, believed and followed. In response it is you who simply provides your opinion that is not biblical that deny's the scriptures and historical evidence in order to follow your man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God.

According to the scriptures I believe JESUS warns us about those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God in MATTHEW 15:3-9 and says those who knowingly do so are not following God.

Perhaps you should look into what you believe because as Peter tells us; we ought to obey God rather than men *ACTS 5:29; ROMANS 3:4

 

[sojourner]

Indeed. JESUS and all the Apostles kept God's 4th commandment Sabbath according to God's 4th commandment

This doesn't speak to the post to which I responded. Note: The apostles instituted Sunday as the Lord's day, so your information is incorrect.

I believe your statement here has been proven false all through this thread by providing both many scripture and historical references that show why you are in error.

What you believe is immaterial. My statement hasn't been "proven false" at all -- except in your own mind.

You have been provided the scriptures and historical fact as evidence to what JESUS and the Apostles as well as the early church taught, believed and followed.

Except that none of it is evidence -- again, except in your own mind.

According to the scriptures I believe JESUS warns us about those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God in MATTHEW 15:3-9 and says those who knowingly do so are not following God.

Again, what you believe is immaterial.

Perhaps you should look into what you believe

Perhaps you should look into what you believe.

 

[3rdAngel]

This doesn't speak to the post to which I responded. Note: The apostles instituted Sunday as the Lord's day, so your information is incorrect.

Sure it responds to what you posted. I believe JESUS and the APOSTLES are Apostolic authority. Their words (scripture) is what you are denying. There is NOWHERE in scripture (Apostolic authority) that says Sunday is "THE LORDS DAY" the same as there is no scripture (Apostolic authority) that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day. Does this not worry you? It should. I believe according to the scriptures JESUS warns us about those who knowingly follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God in MATTHEW 15:3-9. Yet this is exactly what you are promoting.

What you believe is immaterial. My statement hasn't been "proven false" at all -- except in your own mind.

I believe your claims have been proven false throughout this thread with both scripture and historical evidence that show why you are in error. In reposnse all you have provided is your opinion and ignored the scriptures and the historical references shared with you. Your claims are these; You believe man made traditions sepersede the Word of God (scripture). You claim that "THE LORDS DAY" is Sunday. You claim that the Apostles instituted "Sunday" as "THE LORDS DAY" Yet you have not a single scripture from God's Word that supports this tradition which denies Apostolic authority that shows through the scriptures and history that the early Church worshiped God every day and have always kept God's 4th commandment according to the Word of God. Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear especially when we are talking about God's commandments IMO, which, if we knowingly break, will keep us out of God's kingdom *HEBREWS 10:26-27. Something to think about.

Except that none of it is evidence -- again, except in your own mind. Again, what you believe is immaterial.

You have been provided the scriptures and historical fact as evidence to what JESUS and the Apostles as well as the early church taught, believed and followed. Your response is to deny God's Word and provide your opinion which is not based on fact or evidence. I know who I believe and follow and it is not you. As PETER says we ought to obey God rather them man *ACTS 5:29 but you teach we ought to obey man rather than God which is not biblical.

Perhaps you should look into what you believe.

Indeed we all should examine ourselves as to what we believe and follow. I have looked into what I believe and shown you why I believe what I believe and have provided both scriptural and historical evidence to show why. I believe you on the other hand, simply deny the scriptures and historical references shared with you in order to follow your opinions and man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God. According to JESUS those who knowingly follow this path are not following God as shown in MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Something to think about don't you think?

 

[sojourner]

I believe JESUS and the APOSTLES are Apostolic authority.

And so is everyone in the apostolic succession. You're leaving everyone out from Matthias on down.

You claim that the Apostles instituted "Sunday" as "THE LORDS DAY" Yet you have not a single scripture from God's Word that supports this tradition which denies Apostolic authority

Yes I have; you just decided to ignore it. Plus, there is the apostolic teaching, or Tradition that you're completely ignoring. Remember: sola scriptura is a heresy that just doesn't wash with me.

but you teach we ought to obey man rather than God which is not biblical.

Except that the apostles speak for Christ, who is God. So the apostolic Tradition is, in effect, speaking for God. You're ignoring that, too.

 

[3rdAngel]

And so is everyone in the apostolic succession. You're leaving everyone out from Matthias on down. Yes I have; you just decided to ignore it. Plus, there is the apostolic teaching, or Tradition that you're completely ignoring. Remember: sola scriptura is a heresy that just doesn't wash with me. Except that the apostles speak for Christ, who is God. So the apostolic Tradition is, in effect, speaking for God. You're ignoring that, too.

Everyone you have provided outside the scriptures are not Apostles therefore do not have apostolic succession or do anyone after the 12 apostles according to the scriptures. As posted earlier you have provided no scripture evidence for anything you are claiming and teaching which IMO is not biblical but simply your own teaching that denies God's Word in order to follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God.

According to the scriptures if anyone claims to speak for God and break his commandments they are lying and not from God.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

ISAIAH 8:20 To the law and to the testimony (scriptures): if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

I believe only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God that JESUS and others warn us about in MATTHEW 15:3-9; ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29 in the scriptures.

Hope this helps