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Colander Hats on IDs: Legitimate Religious Statement or Atheists Acting Childish?
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If you say so.
Skwim
Veteran Member
This ↑ Unless it compromises their identity, which would included hiding their hair or lack thereof, and its color---a wig would also not be allowed unless it's worn all the time---I see no problem with it.
Awkward Fingers
Omphaloskeptic
Well, that moves us to how does something qualify as a religion, then?
Sir Doom
Cooler than most of you
Based on recent evidence, I'd say all it takes is saying so. Hence, photo successfully taken. Sounds fair to me.
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
It's more like a victory for freedom of religious expression than making religion look ridiculous.
Is it childish, silly & disrespectful of both government & organized religion?
Yes!
Perhaps you cannot rationalize it, but those of us with a sense of humor,
political activism, & ODD see great wisdom & mirth in the practice.
Btw, ODD = Oppositional Defiant Disorder
If someone wants to wear a colander on his/her head, then they can. It looks pretty silly, to me.
You got it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It is a valid statement, but I see nothing more than bigotry when someone wants to protests religious headgear. What's the big idea? It's not like anyone is forcing others to wear a turban, hijaab, yarmulke, wimple, or a silly colander. But as others have pointed out, it seems to further the right to wear headgear than protest it.
There is another thread, a couple of weeks ago, where we were discussing whether a medical doctor had the right to communicate his religious beliefs to his patients. I think it is in the best interests of the patient to know in advance as opposed to having to ask, but there are those who think it could create some sort of pressure.
I don't really agree with or understand that stance, but whatever the logic is, wouldn't it apply even more strongly to religious headgear? May I assume that those who see no reason to restrict headgear also see no reason for a doctor not to say upfront to his patients that he is a Sikh, a Muslim, a Jewish Person, or a Knight of the Order of the Holy Colander before even asking his patient how he has been feeling?
Religiously themed headgear amounts to public, unsolicited expression of one's beliefs, and is at least in part meant as a clarion call for prompt recognition of brothers of faith. Wearing it is a voluntary renounce of the right to blend in with the unaffiliated, and a choice of standing up in contrast to those.
In short, it is tacit permission for differentiated treatment. It may or may not be a big idea. It is no big deal, as long as people are reminded often and well that no one has to take that differentiation at all seriously.
So, depending on how widespread and intense the perception that certain religious groups should be treated differently, the colander protest may be innocuous, badly needed, or anything in between.
I am trying to think of a circunstance when it would be unadvisable, but there do not seem to be any worth mentioning.
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
Boy, all of a sudden Pope Francis' choices of headwear look so darned sensible...
It's not so ridiculous when compared to religious hats.
Maybe the OP should have asked whether religious hats are a legitimate religious statement or just religious people acting childish in order to establish a base line for measurement of the responses to its main question.
Personally, the above hats are not to my taste, but I don't have anything against people wearing them.
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freethinker44
Well-Known Member
Yeah, I don't have any problem with funny hats or clothing either. People can and should wear whatever they want to wear. But, I mean, if we're going to criticize atheists for it, there is plenty of blame to go around.
I don't think we should have exceptions for anything, religious or not, well maybe disability but that's only if you are physically unable to comply with the policy. Other than that policies and laws should apply to everyone equally.
I don't know anything about the story except what was in the links. That wasn't much information. But I bet I know.
Around here the rule for a drivers license photo is you can't wear anything above the neck. Unless you are required to wear glasses to drive like I am, then you are required to wear them in the photo. This is simply so that the photo accurately represents what you look like. It is a sensible precaution against fraudulence. Head wear impedes this function.
Religionists who want a drivers license should follow the same rule as everybody else. But they want special dispensation. I think they should choose between head wear and a license. But they think their religion entitles them to do whatever they want.
I expect that is what is going on here. I could be wrong, maybe the kiwi is just nuts.
Tom
I wonder what various DMVs around the world do with women who (for religious reasons) wear
a veil which obscures her face? If worn in the picture, it would defeat the purpose entirely.
a veil which obscures her face? If worn in the picture, it would defeat the purpose entirely.
Sir Doom
Cooler than most of you
I wear a beard-veil these days so that no one can identify me with my photo ID. It doesn't work. They keep selling me beer anyway. I even wear a hat. Nothing seems to work.
I.don't think women are allowed to drive.
Tom
Awkward Fingers
Omphaloskeptic
I just modified my drivers license with an etch-a-sketch, so all I have to do whenever I shave is just shake it...
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
There is a difference between someone dressing in accordance to their religious beliefs and a professional pushing their beliefs on someone. And what does religion matter, so long as the doctor is qualified? I couldn't tell you the religious beliefs of a single doctor I have seen because it doesn't matter (and my religion apparently wasn't a concern to them).
When I worked at a gas station, I carded an Amish kid who wanted cigarettes. His ID had no picture on it.