Come back My people

[faithglendale]

In the Qur'an, Allah urged Christians and Jews to read their Book in its entirety. Yet, a side by side study revealed teachings in Allah's Reminder of life changing importance, as well as, hundreds of altered details that are contrary to all of God's previous writings, which Christians and Jews hold so dear.

Here are a few examples. Although, in the interest of time and space, listed will only be a portion of the Scriptures, minus the text elaborating on them, that are included in the Kindle eBook I have authored called, Come back My people. The first 5 chapters of which, may be previewed for free.

X.37. And this Qur'an is not such as could be forged by those besides Allah, but it is a verification of that which is before it and a clear explanation of the book, there is no doubt in it, from the Lord of the worlds.

John 14.30. Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

2Corinthians 4.3. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: in whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.4.

Revelation 17.14. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

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IV.76. Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Devil. Fight therefore against the friends of the Devil; surely the strategy of the Devil is weak.

I Peter 5.8. Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour-.

Ephesians 6.12. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

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XXIX.14. And certainly We sent {Noah} to his people, so he remained among them a thousand years save fifty years. And the deluge overtook them, while they were unjust.

Genesis 9.28. And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. All the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.29.

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XXIX.15. So we delivered him and the inmates of the ark, and made it a sign to the nations.15.

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Genesis 9.12. And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.15.

If there is an interest, I will post more. But then again, I probably will do so no matter what; with the hope of getting the differences between the Qur'an and the Bible to as many people as possible.

By the way, there are also many verses in the Qur'an describing Allah's involvement with and protection of the Book given to Christians and Jews. Putting an end to the myth that we changed God's Word to suit our own needs. Any specific requests, please also post in a PM to be sure I do not miss them.

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[Union jack]

002.087YUSUFALI: We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers;

002.151YUSUFALI: A similar (favour have ye already received) in that We have sent among you a Messenger of your own, rehearsing to you Our Signs, and sanctifying you, and instructing you in Scripture and Wisdom, and in new knowledge.

 

[faithglendale]

002.087YUSUFALI: We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers;

002.151YUSUFALI: A similar (favour have ye already received) in that We have sent among you a Messenger of your own, rehearsing to you Our Signs, and sanctifying you, and instructing you in Scripture and Wisdom, and in new knowledge.

New knowledge and new revelations from God would be great, but the Qur'an rewrote history. Even changing irrelevant details like the age of Noah. Why would God send a Reminder that called Him by a different name, a name that Ishmael, his family and his ancestors did not know Him by?

Not only did Allah change every Biblical story that was included in the Qur'an, God's entire personality was shown in a new light, as if all of the love was replaced with hatred and anger.

 

[Reptillian]

"Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." - Jesus in John 3:23-24

 

[Union jack]

Why? Because a good cup of tea require hot water. (Someone may back me up on that). Obviously I can't judge against what others find humorous, and the division between mortal and immortal could widen the gap between what one might consider just behavior towards oneself and what one may consider just behavior towards oneself when actually in the flesh.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I understand it doesn't look good, from a modern Christian perspective, but Muslims aren't making war on Jesus. Despite the various wars between Catholic authorities and Muslim authorities in centuries past, becoming a Muslim is not anti-Christian. While to me it seems risky, its not 'Evil' to do so. It is a human choice made by people.

John 14.30. Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

2Corinthians 4.3. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: in whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.4.

Revelation 17.14. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

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IV.76. Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Devil. Fight therefore against the friends of the Devil; surely the strategy of the Devil is weak.

I Peter 5.8. Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour-.

Ephesians 6.12. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

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XXIX.14. And certainly We sent {Noah} to his people, so he remained among them a thousand years save fifty years. And the deluge overtook them, while they were unjust.

Genesis 9.28. And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. All the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.29.

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XXIX.15. So we delivered him and the inmates of the ark, and made it a sign to the nations.15.

faithglendale, hello. This is a very heavy load of scriptures, but these aren't talking about Muslims vs. Christians, and they also aren't really the crux of concern.

For example, you refer to 2Corinthians 4.3. "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: in whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them..."

Ok, its a basic truth in the Bible that the 'Heart' is deceitful above all things, and who can understand it? (Jeremiah 17:9) What can the 'God of this world' be, do you think? Isn't it the attitude 'I am right'. What is the 'Pride of Life'? Isn't it the attitude 'I am wise like the gods or I can be wise like a god'. I'm trying to point out that it is your heart you must worry about, not the Muslim's writings or your own writings. You have a human heart, just like they do. A small change in scripture is not nearly so harmful. Given all the correct facts and with Jesus sleeping in the same room nightly all of your life, you can wake up tomorrow morning and think "Oh, man I have been so wrong all of my life!" It happened to Judas. It happens to everybody. If it hasn't happened for you yet, then you can bet that its coming. If it already has, tic toc you can bet it will again. These variations between the Bible and the Quran are in themselves mostly harmless. They are a distraction from the real issue.

 

[Union jack]

...For example, you refer to 2Corinthians 4.3. "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: in whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them..."

I do not deny the truth when it comes to me (Qur'an 50:5)
To Allah belong both east and West: He guideth whom He will to a Way that is straight. (002.142)
According to His indulgence.

 

[Pastek]

XXIX.14. And certainly We sent {Noah} to his people, so he remained among them a thousand years save fifty years. And the deluge overtook them, while they were unjust.

Genesis 9.28. And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. All the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.29.

Do you believe that the Bible never changed and all that in it is true ?
Or do you believe that it may have some errors (from the scribes or whoever) but it's still Holy ?

By the way, there are also many verses in the Qur'an describing Allah's involvement with and protection of the Book given to Christians and Jews. Putting an end to the myth that we changed God's Word to suit our own needs. Any specific requests, please also post in a PM to be sure I do not miss them.

God, where ???
It was said :

5.44 Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah , and they were witnesses thereto.

Why would God send a Reminder that called Him by a different name, a name that Ishmael, his family and his ancestors did not know Him by?

Which name ?

Not only did Allah change every Biblical story that was included in the Qur'an, God's entire personality was shown in a new light, as if all of the love was replaced with hatred and anger.

What are you talking about ???

 

[Brickjectivity]

a good cup of tea require hot water.

True. Most leaves require boiling or near boiling temperatures and steeping to extract the various flavors and ingredients. That's why you can't make good tea in a coffee maker. Either the water is too cold or it is only hot for a short time. Coffee does not have a very distinctive flavor of its own, so it has to be roasted by measures or have extra ingredients added. Ground coffee beans do not require boiling. Tea, on the other hand, has flavors which are only extracted when the water is the right temperature, and sometimes these flavors are fragile or even subtle. You can put sugar and cream in, but many people prefer their tea without additives and appreciate trying new flavors and mixes. There are many, many types of tea leaves which vary widely in flavor and there are tea shops which specialize in mixing teas.

 

[faithglendale]

becoming a Muslim is not anti-Christian. While to me it seems risky, its not 'Evil' to do so. It is a human choice made by people.....
This is a very heavy load of scriptures, but these aren't talking about Muslims vs. Christians, and they also aren't really the crux of concern....
it is your heart you must worry about, not the Muslim's writings or your own writings....
These variations between the Bible and the Quran are in themselves mostly harmless. They are a distraction from the real issue....
A small change in scripture is not nearly so harmful

But you see, Islam is the opposite of Christianity and Judaism. Everything Allah taught Muslims about the God of Abraham contradicts the God of the Bible; which Allah claimed ownership of and protected. Stating that only Allah could forge, change or alter, and that Jews and Christians altered God's Word with their hands and tongues. Not the written word.

The verses I showed were only a couple of examples of changes that Allah made. When actually, it is virtually the entire 400 pages of the Qur'an that have altered details. This is simply too big to ignore. With the result being a completely new religion for Abraham's other descendants. Without an Arabic Bible, the early followers of Islam did not know the Biblical accounts well enough that were passed down through Ishmael. So this Reminder was never verified.

The real issue is that Allah's version appealed to Ishmael's descendants who knew the God of Abraham but felt they had been forsaken in barren lands. And along comes a new revelation speaking to their very heart. One which forsakes the Jews and makes Muslims the chosen ones. Creating enemies of one another is very harmful, and now the rest of the world is reaping the repercussions.

Come back My people, does not leave Muslims without a religion. It reunites them with the one they always wanted, and thought they already had. Our God not only wants be their God, He is the God they desire most.

 

[Brickjectivity]

But you see, Islam is the opposite of Christianity and Judaism. Everything Allah taught Muslims about the God of Abraham contradicts the God of the Bible; which Allah claimed ownership of and protected. Stating that only Allah could forge, change or alter, and that Jews and Christians altered God's Word with their hands and tongues. Not the written word.

By the above logic every imperfect Christian is the opposite of Christianity and Judaism; but this isn't how God sees things. God's perfect truth is too much for a human being, too bright you might say. Muslims do a better job of confessing this than most protestant Christians, and without confessing it you cannot be very Christian. Its part of confessing your sins, every bit as important as mouthing things you have done wrong. It is probably more important.

The verses I showed were only a couple of examples of changes that Allah made.

Well, I don't agree with Islam myself; but I'm only a man. I'm not an angel. Jesus says not to judge fellow servants and to judge teachers by their fruits, specifically not by the correctness of their wordings. It is very hard to accept this teaching, but its the stone that we must break ourselves on or we will be crushed by it. A good place to begin learning about this is in Jeremiah 31, which is quoted from by Matthew in chapter 2 of the gospel of Matthew. Also Isaiah 40, the chapter about the 'Voice calling' in the desert. It says "every valley shall be lifted up and every mountain and hill made low." That is to say that you, who are like a mountain of knowledge, are no different from flat land and those who are shallow and have no understanding are raised up to be your equal. Everybody is equal now.

When actually, it is virtually the entire 400 pages of the Qur'an that have altered details. This is simply too big to ignore. With the result being a completely new religion for Abraham's other descendants. Without an Arabic Bible, the early followers of Islam did not know the Biblical accounts well enough that were passed down through Ishmael. So this Reminder was never verified.

Well, I cannot argue with that. I have an English translation of the Koran, and I have an English version of the Tanach plus the NT. I do not deny, however, that the spirit goes about where it will and not according to my expectations. Its like the glory over the tabernacle in the wilderness (in Exodus and Numbers). When the glory moves, you move. Where the manna falls, pick it up. How are you justified in telling Muslims that they should not accept manna where it falls. You say to them "No, the tabernacle sits here, and you should not be following that cloud." They are saying the same thing to you. Its like children arguing. "Why won't you play our games?" "Well why won't you play our games?"

The real issue is that Allah's version appealed to Ishmael's descendants who knew the God of Abraham but felt they had been forsaken in barren lands.

That's a theory. By the way, Ishmael was never deserted. Ishmael was like the scapegoat, taking the blame for the sake of the whole family. Isaac was the goat who was slain, figuratively. Both were brothers equally with distinct duties. It was Isaac whose descendant were doomed to roam around for centuries in countries that didn't belong to themselves, as strangers. Ishmael's descendants the Arabs were nomadic shepherds but they weren't gypsies like the Jews. I also don't know why you say they felt that had been forsaken in barren lands.

 

[faithglendale]

Do you believe that the Bible never changed and all that in it is true ?
Or do you believe that it may have some errors (from the scribes or whoever) but it's still Holy ?

Pastek, great questions. It has taken awhile but I will address them all.
I believe that if there is a God who created such a marvelous universe out of love for the people He created, then He would have a message for us and would be willing and able to protect that Word forever and ever. So that all generations would have the same opportunity to read and hear the truth.

What kind of God would require us to live and die by His Word if it no longer existed, and had teachings that had been perverted by man, or the devil? As far as errors go, I do not believe there are ANY errors in the Bible. What do appear to be discrepancies and contradictions can all be explained if we pay unbelievable attention to the detail, and the specific Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek words that were used. {Accompanied by much prayer}

The Scriptures have all been inspired by God, but translating into other languages was done by man, and hopefully all were led by God. Often times, it is the words selected by the translators that cause the confusion. Proving the accuracy of God's Word became a huge task while writing, Come back My people. For it would have been an injustice to God and to Muslims, to just skip over these verses and permit these accusations to go unanswered.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

To think that the Bible has been perverted is to misunderstand it.

The Bible, both old testament and new testament, is written as to be interpreted in the light of changing times.
It is a living document who's meanings are not fixed by the interpretations of the ancient days it was written.
It is as meaningful to day , in this modern world, as it ever was.

Unlike the quran that has become more and more meaningless and less relevant to those of more recent times and cultures.

 

[faithglendale]

God, where ???

in answer to the original post: By the way, there are also many verses in the Qur'an describing Allah's involvement with and protection of the Book given to Christians and Jews. Putting an end to the myth that we changed God's Word to suit our own needs.

III.2. Allah, there is no god but He, the Everliving, the Self-subsisting by Whom all things subsist. He has revealed the Torah and the Gospel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Qur'an.3.

VI.115. And the word of your Lord has been accomplished truly and justly; there is none who can change His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

XVIII.27. And recite what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord; there is none who can alter His words; and you shall not find any refuge besides Him.

II.78. And there are among them illiterates who know not the Book but only lies, and they do but conjecture. Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.79.

III.78. -There is a party amongst those who distort the Book with their tongue that you may consider it to be a part of the Book, and they say, It is from Allah, while it is not from Allah; and they tell a lie against Allah whilst they know.

An excerpt from, Come back My people:
"If no one can change or alter the words of our Lord, this would naturally include all of His words, not just the Qur'an. God has always been Omniscient. He did not suddenly become aware that people would alter the Book. He would have known this from the beginning and given the Qur'an the same protection as the Books written previously. Making it impossible for Christians and Jews to alter their Books" -with their tongues or hands.

Allah was correct in saying that books have been written claiming they were from God. Probably millions of them. Some speaking the truth, but not all. Written by the unjust who rejected the truth. While I do believe I could not have written CbMp without God, I would not ever boldly claim that it came from Him.

 

[faithglendale]

Which name ?

Exodus 3.13. And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, the God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14. And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.15.

In all honesty, with the differences between languages, one could assume that the names used of Allah in the Qur'an would be in line with this. Though Allah did not remind anyone of this precious verse. A better translation is the NKJV of the Bible: I AM WHO I AM. Or in Hebrew, Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh. And "Ehyeh" hath sent me to you. These are commonly translated as being:YHWH/Yahweh/the active, self-existent One.

Another title given for Allah is, the Lord of the dawn. This is suggestive of what the Bible teaches regarding the devil: Son of the morning or son of dawn, or the morning star: in the sense of brightness. The words used for this phrase in Hebrew are, ben {first born son-among other things} and shachar {dawn}.

Using anything similar to these to describe Allah would have discouraged Christians or Jews from accepting the Qur'an as a revelation from God. Not due to the devil for Jews, but because it was in reference to someone who wanted to set his throne higher than the stars of God.

 

[faithglendale]

faithglendale, hello. This is a very heavy load of scriptures, but these aren't talking about Muslims vs. Christians, and they also aren't really the crux of concern...

In my reply I forgot something of importance...hello back

 

[JayJayDee]

Exodus 3.13. And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, the God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14. And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.15.

In all honesty, with the differences between languages, one could assume that the names used of Allah in the Qur'an would be in line with this. Though Allah did not remind anyone of this precious verse.

However, the Qur'an also uses the name, Lord of the dawn, which is suggestive of what Scripture teaches regarding the devil: Son of the morning, son of dawn, the morning star: in the sense of brightness. Using anything similar to these to describe Allah would not have drawn Christians or Jews to read and accept the Qur'an as a revelation from God.

Exodus 3:13-15 in the original Hebrew contained the divine name, YHWH (Jehovah in English) so God's people have an association with the divine name. Jehovah revealed the name that was to be his "memorial" to all generations.

The Jews worshipped Jehovah and Jesus also said he came to make God's name known to his disciples. (John 17:25, 26)

When the Jews rejected their Christ, Jehovah then "turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name." (Acts 15:14)

Since the Jews distanced themselves from Jehovah's name by substituting a title "LORD" in their scriptures, and Christendom also did the same, it makes a mockery of Jesus words in the Lord's Prayer "hallowed be thy NAME". In order to "hallow" or hold sacred the name of God, one has to use it in all reverence.

Jehovah is indeed calling his people to come back, but they distinguish themselves by embracing God's name, not ignoring it or burying it in superstition.

God calls his "people" out of Babylon the great (Rev 18:4,5) and brings them into one united body of Christian evangelisers who are preaching "the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations" before the foretold "end" of the present age takes place. (Matt 24:14)

Look for the ones who fit the criteria.

 

[faithglendale]

Exodus 3:13-15 in the original Hebrew contained the divine name, YHWH (Jehovah in English) so God's people have an association with the divine name. Jehovah revealed the name that was to be his "memorial" to all generations....

Nice job. I edited my earlier post because in after thought, it did need more explaining.

 

[faithglendale]

What are you talking about ???

In response to faithglendale: Not only did Allah change every Biblical story that was included in the Qur'an, God's entire personality was shown in a new light, as if all of the love was replaced with hatred and anger.

These traits can be seen by the way Allah speaks of sinners in general. Quotes from Jesus will follow with a totally different outlook towards the lost.

II.65. And certainly you have known those among you who exceeded the limits of the Sabbath, so We said to them: be as apes, despised and hated. So we made them an example to those who witnessed it and those who came after it, and an admonition to those who guard against evil.66.

IV.168. Surely as for those who disbelieve and act unjustly, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to a path, except the path of hell, to abide in it forever, and this is easy to Allah.

V.33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement. Except those who repent, before you have them in your power; so know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.34.

As far as those who do not believe, they say: -We believe, and their hearts do not believe, and from among those who are Jews; they are listeners for the sake of a lie, listeners for another people who have not come to you;-those are they for whom Allah does not desire that He should purify their hearts; they shall have disgrace in this world and they shall have a grievous chastisement in the hereafter.V.41.

V.51. -You who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

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Matthew 5.38. Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

43. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.45.

Mark 16.15. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Luke 5.31. And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician: but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Luke 15.7. I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repents, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Luke 24.47. And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Matthew 12.31. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. -Whosoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.32.

This is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. Allah did not remind Muslims of that fact. He spoke of the unjust, the hypocrites, and disbelievers. God really is more forgiving than that. One example, not a quote, is when Allah said the Jews were forsaken after behaving badly two times. God actually accused them of 'these ten times". There is no way to explain Judaism and Christianity without including the sins of the children of Israel. If Come back My people is ever read by Muslims, they will get a good history lesson from God's Word.

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[faithglendale]

By the above logic every imperfect Christian is the opposite of Christianity and Judaism;

By stating that Islam is the opposite of Christianity and Judaism, I truly did mean Islam. I have no ill feelings or sarcasm towards Muslims as a people. The very large majority are the most decent people anyone could ever know with an undying commitment to our God as strong or stronger than a lot of my counterparts.

Despite how harshly Allah speaks and the willingness and ease to cast aside believers if they falter, their faith remains. That is pure devotion. Jesus made it much easier, and yet, hypocrisy and backsliding continue.

Well, I don't agree with Islam myself; but I'm only a man. I'm not an angel. Jesus says not to judge fellow servants and to judge teachers by their fruits, specifically not by the correctness of their wordings.

I would sooner have criticisms towards Christians and Jews than with Muslims. It is the Qur'an that I am judging, by its fruit. Not for mixing up details and getting the facts wrong. They are just visual signs of a much larger problem. Which is, the lack of similarities between Allah and the God of the Bible. Scriptures on this are within the posts to Pastek.

Well, I cannot argue with that. I have an English translation of the Koran, and I have an English version of the Tanach plus the NT. I do not deny, however, that the spirit goes about where it will and not according to my expectations. Its like the glory over the tabernacle in the wilderness (in Exodus and Numbers). When the glory moves, you move. Where the manna falls, pick it up. How are you justified in telling Muslims that they should not accept manna where it falls. You say to them "No, the tabernacle sits here, and you should not be following that cloud." They are saying the same thing to you. Its like children arguing. "Why won't you play our games?" "Well why won't you play our games?"

It is my belief that the children of Israel not only split into two after Solomon, the House of Judah and the House of Israel, but they split into three after their repeated captivities. God only knows how many married and started families in these nations since they did not have a homeland to return to.

The Old Testament documented how frequently our ancestors turned away from God and served the gods of the nations around them. So I am certain that many of our ancestors through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, adopted the religion of their new loved ones, and/or to avoid further persecution, they became Muslim and did not return. Judaism became a distant memory that would soon be forgotten completely. God said He would turn away but not forever, and now He is saying, Come back My people!

That's a theory. By the way, Ishmael was never deserted. Ishmael was like the scapegoat, taking the blame for the sake of the whole family. Isaac was the goat who was slain, figuratively. Both were brothers equally with distinct duties. It was Isaac whose descendant were doomed to roam around for centuries in countries that didn't belong to themselves, as strangers. Ishmael's descendants the Arabs were nomadic shepherds but they weren't gypsies like the Jews. I also don't know why you say they felt that had been forsaken in barren lands.

Very true on every point. Ismael was the victim of the mistakes that Sarah, Abraham's wife made. But I was not trying to imply that he roamed the desert. He surely passed on the stories he learned from his father, namely the blessings God promised to Abraham and his seed after him.

It is logical that Ishmael would resent being sent away and for the generations after him to resent receiving barren desert lands instead of the land of milk and honey sworn to Abraham's descendants as an everlasting possession. What Muslims do not realize is, Israel is the Holy Land for all believers. It is not large enough to house all of us, but we can all share in the joy of the history behind it.