Come back My people

[faithglendale]

To think that the Bible has been perverted is to misunderstand it.

The Bible, both old testament and new testament, is written as to be interpreted in the light of changing times.
It is a living document who's meanings are not fixed by the interpretations of the ancient days it was written.
It is as meaningful to day , in this modern world, as it ever was.

Unlike the quran that has become more and more meaningless and less relevant to those of more recent times and cultures.

Amen to that. The Bible is constantly being accused of errors and worse. But it really does boil down to the translators. They sincerely tried to communicate God's Word, but with languages changing as much as English, it was almost an impossible task. I would be lost without the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance showing me the other meanings of the Hebrew and Greek words in many mind boggling Scriptures.

 

[Brickjectivity]

By stating that Islam is the opposite of Christianity and Judaism, I truly did mean Islam. I have no ill feelings or sarcasm towards Muslims as a people. The very large majority are the most decent people anyone could ever know with an undying commitment to our God as strong or stronger than a lot of my counterparts.

Despite how harshly Allah speaks and the willingness and ease to cast aside believers if they falter, their faith remains. That is pure devotion. Jesus made it much easier, and yet, hypocrisy and backsliding continue.

I believe you don't have ill feelings towards Muslims, but apparently God does in your world view. That does not add up. If you were Muslim then there wouldn't be an inconsistency (since obviously Arabic speakers are favoured), but since you are Christian and believe the Bible the NT apostle Peter says God doesn't favour groups.(Acts 10:34) This is not a one-off comment by Peter but a central concept laid down by Isaiah and Jeremiah, preached by John the Baptist and fully embraced by Jesus. This has everything to do with, for instance, the Be-attitudes in Matthew. When Jesus says "Blessed are they who hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled" he angers the priesthood, because he is attacking their profession. "No" they would protest "you must come and be taught by the Levites, and then you can obtain righteousness." which would have been very relevant in the Christian world view up until John the Baptist began his ministry. Today you are faced with the choice to accept the Be-attitudes and all the other things Jesus taught about not judging others. I must insist that if Jesus were standing here today with Muslims all about he would immediately begin healing and answering questions and teaching and would say little to nothing about copying errors in the Koran.

 

[JayJayDee]

I believe you don't have ill feelings towards Muslims, but apparently God does in your world view. That does not add up. If you were Muslim then there wouldn't be an inconsistency (since obviously Arabic speakers are favoured), but since you are Christian and believe the Bible the NT apostle Peter says God doesn't favour groups.(Acts 10:34) This is not a one-off comment by Peter but a central concept laid down by Isaiah and Jeremiah, preached by John the Baptist and fully embraced by Jesus. This has everything to do with, for instance, the Be-attitudes in Matthew. When Jesus says "Blessed are they who hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled" he angers the priesthood, because he is attacking their profession. "No" they would protest "you must come and be taught by the Levites, and then you can obtain righteousness." which would have been very relevant in the Christian world view up until John the Baptist began his ministry. Today you are faced with the choice to accept the Be-attitudes and all the other things Jesus taught about not judging others. I must insist that if Jesus were standing here today with Muslims all about he would immediately begin healing and answering questions and teaching and would say little to nothing about copying errors in the Koran.

Hey Brick, you are absolutely correct! But in order to come to the true God, it requires that those who hold different views to the ones Jesus espoused had to change their beliefs and conduct to fall into harmony with the truth he taught.

This is the sole reason why "the good news of the kingdom" had to be "preached in ALL the inhabited earth for a witness to ALL the nations". (Matt 24:14)

Jesus was not saying that people could come to God and bring their own differing religious views with them; they had to leave their former religious views behind and embrace Christ's teachings, which of course included not judging anyone as unworthy to hear the good news. God is not partial, as far as a person's nationality or religious beliefs are concerned...he offers his truth to all without prejudice. But God will not allow falsehood to contaminate his truth.

He demonstrated all these things in the nation of Israel. When people converted to Judaism, they were accepted as worshippers of the true God. But they had to live and worship as Jews did. Religious falsehood that crept in over Israel's history, was dealt with most severely by Jehovah, who would not tolerate the worship of false gods. This was the first of the Ten Commandments.

God's true worshippers do not expect Jehovah to accommodate their differing religious views. Those who wish to worship the true God must bring their worship into line with his truth. No ifs or buts. Sheep are sheep and goats are goats. You can't have a foot in both camps.

Jehovah embraces ALL who come to him as truth seekers who are prepared to lay aside their own will and to do God's will. (Matt 7:21-23)

He could not be fairer than that. What he offers such ones is more than worth any sacrifice on their part.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Hello Jay Jay Dee.

But in order to come to the true God, it requires that those who hold different views to the ones Jesus espoused had to change their beliefs and conduct to fall into harmony with the truth he taught.

The truth that he taught, however, was that God alone is good not any man and that we must be like little children. "Let the Little Children Come unto me, for such is the kingdom of heaven." Children are unschooled, undisciplined and have all kinds of problems. His 'Truth' was that no man was to teach his brother 'Know the LORD', because it was no longer necessary. (Jer 31)

This is the sole reason why "the good news of the kingdom" had to be "preached in ALL the inhabited earth for a witness to ALL the nations". (Matt 24:14)

Arguably this preaching was completed, since the apostles were commanded to complete it and since Mark 16 records that it was completed. I realize that Paul may have had a separate commission; but the verse to which you refer was fulfilled.

Jesus was not saying that people could come to God and bring their own differing religious views with them; they had to leave their former religious views behind and embrace Christ's teachings, which of course included not judging anyone as unworthy to hear the good news. God is not partial, as far as a person's nationality or religious beliefs are concerned...he offers his truth to all without prejudice. But God will not allow falsehood to contaminate his truth.

James says that God offers wisdom to anyone who asks without finding fault (NIV James 1). That is, no conditions are placed upon the person.

He demonstrated all these things in the nation of Israel. When people converted to Judaism, they were accepted as worshippers of the true God. But they had to live and worship as Jews did. Religious falsehood that crept in over Israel's history, was dealt with most severely by Jehovah, who would not tolerate the worship of false gods. This was the first of the Ten Commandments.

Up until John the Baptist this would have been the case; but John came preaching Isaiah 40 as fulfilled. Jesus did, too, and also Jeremiah 31. It is hard to accept, because we tend to think things have to happen a certain way but they don't. The Bible especially the NT emphasizes the inability of the scribe, the scholar and the wise person to accomplish the amazing things that the LORD wants accomplished. Wise people have no advantage over foolish ones, because that would not glorify the LORD. Instead it glorifies the wisdom of people while denigrating and denying the wisdom of God.

God's true worshippers do not expect Jehovah to accommodate their differing religious views. Those who wish to worship the true God must bring their worship into line with his truth. No ifs or buts. Sheep are sheep and goats are goats. You can't have a foot in both camps.

The Jews worshipped honestly and sincerely; but they knew something better had to come. Worshipping in spirit and in truth requires something better than dropping your views. It requires long suffering and enduring the views of others. Concerning this truth Jesus says "But when you are invited, take the lowest place, so that when your host comes, he will say to you, 'Friend, move up to a better place.' Then you will be honored in the presence of all the other guests." (Luke 14:10)

Jehovah embraces ALL who come to him as truth seekers who are prepared to lay aside their own will and to do God's will. (Matt 7:21-23)

Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name..." Matthew 7 is a key chapter about listening to any teacher whose life shows spiritual fruit. It will never be about judging people by what they say. Life is confusing and the well spoken are liars. Jesus knew this, possibly because of Zechariah. They are idols, false comforters, false dreamers "My anger burns against the shepherds, and I will punish the leaders; for the LORD Almighty will care for his flock, the..."(Zechariah 10:3) The situation then is no different from now. I'm not saying we should have no leadership for practical concerns, but there is no person qualified to lead another spiritually, doctrinal-ly.

He could not be fairer than that. What he offers such ones is more than worth any sacrifice on their part.

Thank you for your gracious response.

Who the LORD is: The LORD is that spirit such that wherever the LORD is, liberty thrives. (2 Corinthians 3:7)

"The Spirit of the LORD is upon me because he has anointed me but only for the purpose of announcing liberty to the captives...(Luke 4:18)...to announce that the blind in fact do see...to heal those who have broken hearts...to remove fisticuffs...and to give good news to the poor." (paraphrasing)

 

[Pastek]

III.2. Allah, there is no god but He, the Everliving, the Self-subsisting by Whom all things subsist. He has revealed the Torah and the Gospel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Qur'an.

God said He made Revelations, but in this verse He didn't said He protected those Revelations.

VI.115. And the word of your Lord has been accomplished truly and justly; there is none who can change His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

He was not talking about the previous Revelations. Just read the verses above.
God was talking about the verses send to Muhammad because people asked him miracles or were insulting the muslims.

XVIII.27. And recite what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord; there is none who can alter His words; and you shall not find any refuge besides Him.

He's not talking about the Bible. First, Muhammad never recited verses of the Bible to muslims of that time. Plus He said " what has been revealed TO YOU".

II.78. And there are among them illiterates who know not the Book but only lies, and they do but conjecture. Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.

It's about the Scriptures not the Qu'ran, read the verses above :

2.76 And when they meet those who believe, they say, "We have believed"; but when they are alone with one another, they say, "Do you talk to them about what Allah has revealed to you so they can argue with you about it before your Lord?"

Remember that the verses above again are talking about the cow, so it's about the jews's Book, not the muslim's.

III.78. -There is a party amongst those who distort the Book with their tongue that you may consider it to be a part of the Book, and they say, It is from Allah, while it is not from Allah; and they tell a lie against Allah whilst they know.

I think you don't understand those verses and what was going on. That's why your interpretation is not right.
It was not about the muslims here, like it was said above :

3.72 And a faction of the People of the Scripture say [to each other], "Believe in that which was revealed to the believers at the beginning of the day and reject it at its end that perhaps they will abandon their religion

So the verse that you quoted 3.78, it's about them, not the muslims.

God has always been Omniscient. He did not suddenly become aware that people would alter the Book. He would have known this from the beginning and given the Qur'an the same protection as the Books written previously. Making it impossible for Christians and Jews to alter their Books" -with their tongues or hands.

8.8 : “‘How can you say, “We are wise,for we have the law of the Lord,”
when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?
(Jeremiah)

 

[Pastek]

A better translation is the NKJV of the Bible: I AM WHO I AM. Or in Hebrew, Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh. And "Ehyeh" hath sent me to you. These are commonly translated as being:YHWH/Yahweh/the active, self-existent One.

Maybe you can find this here : Names of God in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Pastek]

These traits can be seen by the way Allah speaks of sinners in general.

II.65. And certainly you have known those among you who exceeded the limits of the Sabbath, so We said to them: be as apes, despised and hated. So we made them an example to those who witnessed it and those who came after it, and an admonition to those who guard against evil.

31.14 Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people.
(Exodus)

V.33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement. Except those who repent, before you have them in your power; so know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

What's wrong with that ?
They were also wars in the Bible, and those people were killed and some made prisoners.
Why is it ok in the Bible and not the Qu'ran ?

V.51. -You who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Bad translation. It's not "friends" but allies.

And read the verse 52 and 53, it's about those who were supposed to be allies with muslims while they were not.

Matthew 5.38. Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

It's an advise from Jesus. He didn't said he abolished the previous Law.
He's just saying it's better to forgive.
In fact, it's like in the Qu'ran : it's better to forgive, yet, you can use the Law.

One example, not a quote, is when Allah said the Jews were forsaken after behaving badly two times. God actually accused them of 'these ten times". There is no way to explain Judaism and Christianity without including the sins of the children of Israel

I don't understand your point here
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[Flankerl]

A better translation is the NKJV of the Bible: I AM WHO I AM. Or in Hebrew, Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh. And "Ehyeh" hath sent me to you. These are commonly translated as being:YHWH/Yahweh/the active, self-existent One.

Woah woah woah

"I Am that I Am" is never translated with the Tetragrammaton. Its not even pronounced the same way.



Also stop writing christian and jews like we somehow have some kind of deep bond that unites us against muslims.
Theologically we have far more in common with muslims than with christians.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Woah woah woah

Also stop writing christian and jews like we somehow have some kind of deep bond that unites us against muslims.
Theologically we have far more in common with muslims than with christians.

Probably you are more right than wrong. Depends upon the Muslim, depends upon the Christian and also depends upon the Jew perhaps. Jews today aren't exactly the same as Jews from 5000 years ago, either. You have changed a bit.

 

[faithglendale]

I believe you don't have ill feelings towards Muslims, but apparently God does in your world view. That does not add up. If you were Muslim then there wouldn't be an inconsistency (since obviously Arabic speakers are favoured), but since you are Christian and believe the Bible the NT apostle Peter says God doesn't favour groups.(Acts 10:34) This is not a one-off comment by Peter but a central concept laid down by Isaiah and Jeremiah, preached by John the Baptist and fully embraced by Jesus. This has everything to do with, for instance, the Be-attitudes in Matthew. When Jesus says "Blessed are they who hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled" he angers the priesthood, because he is attacking their profession. "No" they would protest "you must come and be taught by the Levites, and then you can obtain righteousness." which would have been very relevant in the Christian world view up until John the Baptist began his ministry. Today you are faced with the choice to accept the Be-attitudes and all the other things Jesus taught about not judging others. I must insist that if Jesus were standing here today with Muslims all about he would immediately begin healing and answering questions and teaching and would say little to nothing about copying errors in the Koran.

You are so right, God does not favor Jews or anyone over Muslims. But the problem with the Qur'an is more than the idea of errors made by man. Jesus addressed both of these issues on the last page of the Bible.

Revelation 22.16. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life. freely.17.

18. For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

God loves Muslims every bit as much as He loves any of us. Come back, all who hear. In John 10.26, Jesus said we would know Him by His voice. That is why, Come back My people does not tell the story about Judaism and Christianity to Muslims. After 1400 years, it was time for Allah's secret to become known and for Muslims to hear from God Himself.

The promises of plagues or curses is not to a people who were led astray by theses changes. It is only directed at anyone who does add or take away from His Word. A one hundred percent accurate description of the Qur'an, more than 2,000 years ago.

 

[Union jack]

Ah! I'm not kidding! I've been harassed by the ten plagues in similitude recently. Thanks for the warning.

 

[faithglendale]

Woah woah woah

"I Am that I Am" is never translated with the Tetragrammaton. Its not even pronounced the same way.



Also stop writing christian and jews like we somehow have some kind of deep bond that unites us against muslims.
Theologically we have far more in common with muslims than with christians.

Neither Christian nor Jew are against Muslims. It is a small percentage of Muslims that adhere to Allah's war or disgust with Jews. Come back My people defends Jews to all Muslims. Assuring them that all the Jews ever wanted was to be left alone. Israel does not strike unless provoked, and even then only after using great restraint.

Real Christians do not hate anyone. We are commissioned to preach God's Word to all nations. Even better than getting revenge or justice for the lives lost on 9/11, would be for Muslims to finally hear God speak for Himself, from Genesis to Revelation. Including the New Testament message of peace and love to those who hate us.

As far as a Hebrew translation for I AM WHO I AM, I'm afraid I am at a loss there. I was only repeating the translation variances offered by the Tanakh.

 

[faithglendale]

Exodus 3:13-15 in the original Hebrew contained the divine name, YHWH (Jehovah in English) so God's people have an association with the divine name. Jehovah revealed the name that was to be his "memorial" to all generations.

The Jews worshipped Jehovah and Jesus also said he came to make God's name known to his disciples. (John 17:25, 26)

When the Jews rejected their Christ, Jehovah then "turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name." (Acts 15:14)

Since the Jews distanced themselves from Jehovah's name by substituting a title "LORD" in their scriptures, and Christendom also did the same, it makes a mockery of Jesus words in the Lord's Prayer "hallowed be thy NAME". In order to "hallow" or hold sacred the name of God, one has to use it in all reverence.

Jehovah is indeed calling his people to come back, but they distinguish themselves by embracing God's name, not ignoring it or burying it in superstition.

God calls his "people" out of Babylon the great (Rev 18:4,5) and brings them into one united body of Christian evangelisers who are preaching "the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations" before the foretold "end" of the present age takes place. (Matt 24:14)

Look for the ones who fit the criteria.

Are you saying then, every time the Old T uses the word, Lord, that the Hebrew text is exactly as it reads for YHWH in this verse? I hope that is not the case. One day I will learn Hebrew. And hopefully read the New T in Hebrew also, if that even exists.

And believe me, I know what you mean about those who fit the criteria. Enough said.

 

[Brickjectivity]

You are so right, God does not favor Jews or anyone over Muslims.

That is not what I said. Now then.

But the problem with the Qur'an is more than the idea of errors made by man. Jesus addressed both of these issues on the last page of the Bible.

Jesus doesn't trust in your or my ability to read and write. Revelation 22:16 is not a literal book. Looking at verse 16, it mentions "All the plagues that are written in this book" as all happening to one person. If Revelation were, as many modernists claim, an account of events in the past present or future, then how can all the plagues be added to one person? Its because it is not a book that exists within our sense of time, the way that we experience time. Its real title is "The Apocalypse of John," because its written in a style called "Apocalyptic Style," a style that is time-independent. Read literally, no one person could have all of the plagues in it happen to them.

Revelation 22.16. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life. freely.17.

And yet if David calls him Lord, then how can he be David's son? Jesus said this, not me. Clearly Jesus is not literally the offspring of David, nor can a man be his own grandfather (both the root and the offspring). You see, its not a literal book.

18. For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

So what can Jesus be talking about if its not a literal book? How can he be talking about 'Words' in a book that isn't about words? That's Christianity for you. That's Jesus for you. That's just the way Jesus is.

God loves Muslims every bit as much as He loves any of us. Come back, all who hear. In John 10.26, Jesus said we would know Him by His voice. That is why, Come back My people does not tell the story about Judaism and Christianity to Muslims. After 1400 years, it was time for Allah's secret to become known and for Muslims to hear from God Himself.

God is not a man and has no reason to lie, but people lie. You're a liar and so am I. That is an article of faith. So what is this 'Voice' in the wilderness, and what 'Voice' is appropriate to say "Come out of her my people!" ? Not yours or mine. It is the sound of rushing waters, the seven thunders that speak it. No man can teach another "Know the LORD." There is no book you can write or sound you can make.

The promises of plagues or curses is not to a people who were led astray by theses changes. It is only directed at anyone who does add or take away from His Word. A one hundred percent accurate description of the Qur'an, more than 2,000 years ago.

This is what I am saying to you. No person is the voice that calls "Come out of her my people." Anyone who thinks they are clearly isn't.

 

[JayJayDee]

Are you saying then, every time the Old T uses the word, Lord, that the Hebrew text is exactly as it reads for YHWH in this verse? I hope that is not the case. One day I will learn Hebrew. And hopefully read the New T in Hebrew also, if that even exists.

And believe me, I know what you mean about those who fit the criteria. Enough said.

Hello fg, What I am saying is that the tetragrammaton was used extensively in the OT (Hebrew scriptures) The KJV was a good version to distinguish the almost 7,000 times where the divine name was replaced with a title. (Elohim, Adonai) When we saw the word "LORD" in large and small capital letters, we knew that this is where the tetragrammaton belonged.

The NWT published by Jehovah's Witnesses rightly restored the divine name to the scriptures about 40 years ago. They had been using God's precious name, Jehovah for many years prior to that.

Now there is a new "Divine Name KJV" where all the places in which the substitution was made in both the old and new versions, is restored to its original position.

God's name has always been linked to his people, who embraced it reverently. (Matt 6:9) Those who distanced themselves from it and rejected, it actually distanced themselves from its owner and in any share of the inheritance.

 

[faithglendale]

God said He made Revelations, but in this verse He didn't said He protected those Revelations....

Pastek, somehow I missed the page with all of your responses. I was looking forward to them but thought that you had moved on. Am just seeing them now and will respond soon. I do know that in my book I admitted it was sometimes difficult figuring out who Allah was addressing, when the verses above or below spoke of other subjects.

But as far as, why is it ok for the Bible and not the Qur'an {to speak or judge harshly}-One way that I do see the Qur'an, is that its teachings left Muslims in the Old Testament, which is full of wrath from God towards His own people that constantly turned away from Him and served the gods of the nations around them. The New Testament is not that way, but it will take Scriptures to show you.

 

[faithglendale]

Jesus doesn't trust in your or my ability to read and write. Revelation 22:16 is not a literal book.

Well I see I won't be online for awhile. My homework is piling up. And also, the book I have written is not me calling people back to God. I did not write about the Bible, the majority of it is Scriptures so that Muslims and anyone reading can hear directly from God Himself.

 

[faithglendale]

Quote:
Originally Posted by faithglendale
III.78. -There is a party amongst those who distort the Book with their tongue that you may consider it to be a part of the Book, and they say, It is from Allah, while it is not from Allah; and they tell a lie against Allah whilst they know.



I think you don't understand those verses and what was going on. That's why your interpretation is not right.
It was not about the muslims here, like it was said above :

I wanted to respond quickly and let you know I totally agree with you. These verses are not about the Muslims. For example, above is saying that it was the Jews who distorted the Scriptures with their tongue and the Jews who told lies against Allah.

The point I got from these Scriptures was evidence that the Holy Scriptures themselves were not altered.It was Jews speaking lies, not writing them in a Book.

 

[faithglendale]

God said He made Revelations, but in this verse He didn't said He protected those Revelations.

III.2. Allah, there is no god but He, the Everliving, the Self-subsisting by Whom all things subsist. He has revealed the Torah and the Gospel aforetime, as a guidance for the people, and He sent the Qur'an.3.

4. Surely they who disbelieve in the communications of Allah-they shall have a severe chastisement-.

If the law of Moses and the teachings of Jesus were revealed by Allah then they would also be considered as Allah's communications; requiring all to believe or punishment would follow. If these books were not protected, they would no longer be a guide from God. Causing God's will to come back void and of no effect. And with God that is not possible.

Isaiah 55.11. So shall my word be that goes forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing to which I sent it.

 

[faithglendale]

God said He made Revelations, but in this verse He didn't said He protected those Revelations.

III.2. Allah, there is no god but He, the Everliving, the Self-subsisting by Whom all things subsist. He has revealed the Torah and the Gospel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Qur'an. Surely they who disbelieve in the communications of Allah- they shall have a severe chastisement-.4.

True, but if the Law of Moses and the teachings of Jesus were revealed by Allah, then they would also be considered as communications of Allah's; requiring punishment to those who do not believe in them.

If these Books were not also protected, they would no longer be a guide from God for the people. Causing God's will to come back void and of no effect. And with God that is not possible.

Isaiah 55.11. So shall my word be that goes forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing to which I sent it.