Comment on the quote "...turn your other cheek to him as well."

[Konstantin]

The statement is controversial and ambiguous.

First, Jesus spoke about protecting yourself. Another Christian saint, John Chrysostom, said several centuries later than Jesus:

“When we, seeing others offended, do not defend them, but remain silent, this is cowardice; when we ourselves, receiving insults, endure, this is meekness.”

“You cannot shy away from battle, nor seek battle yourself...”

Secondly, it seems to me that Jesus came to Earth with certain tasks. And perhaps one of them was to reduce the level of hatred, evil and aggression in the world at that time. And his saying was like an injection, an antidote. But, apparently, it is not always true. For example, in World War II, if fascism had not been resisted, it would have increased the amount of evil on the entire planet.

Quotes by Mahavatar Haidakhan Babaji on non-violence​

“The theory of non-resistance to evil through violence has damaged man’s courage and consciousness. I am for the struggle, the fight against evil and crimes that can no longer be tolerated.”

“I want to destroy the nonviolence that dominates the world. It breeds apathy and idleness. This non-use of force cooled the blood and made it like cold water. Nonviolence blurs the line between good and evil. Everyone should be brave in life. A cowardly person is like a dead person. Life without courage is not life.”

“The theory of non-harm and non-violence, instead of leading people to knowledge, has led them to ignorance. Due to the fact that a person does not use force, he lost his rights and began to fear his own shadow. I want the world to be populated by strong people!”

“I am against the theory of non-use of force, which makes a person a coward. Fight for the truth! To face tomorrow with courage, you need to show courage every day.”

“The prejudice against non-violence as such must be eliminated and the perpetrators must be punished. To do this you need to use force. For this, Babaji needs strong people who are capable of fulfilling the Will of God, so that others can grow in wisdom, be insightful and learn to make the right decisions.”

“Those who fight for justice must develop the ability to repel inhumanity and cruelty. You need to be discerning and know what and when to resist and what specific methods are appropriate for a given situation to use.”

 

[danieldemol]

The prejudice against non-violence as such must be eliminated and the perpetrators must be punished.

Prejudice against non-violence may not be possible to eliminate. But according to my understanding forcefully punishing the non-violent is a form of violence so I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

Perhaps you were intending to make a call for pacifists to be punished, but it seems to me as though they inevitably face enough punishment whenever an aggressor walks among them without ordinary folk adding to their woe unnecessarily in my view.

 

[Konstantin]

Prejudice against non-violence may not be possible to eliminate. But according to my understanding forcefully punishing the non-violent is a form of violence so I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

Perhaps you were intending to make a call for pacifists to be punished, but it seems to me as though they inevitably face enough punishment whenever an aggressor walks among them without ordinary folk adding to their woe unnecessarily in my view.

The perpetrators most likely refer to those who spread the teaching of nonviolence. But those who did not use force when necessary are also to blame. Babaji is a strict teacher, and he does not tolerate cowardice, weakness and the flow of evil. He wants the world to be populated by brave and smart people, and for there to be no evil in the world. And anyone, even a humble person, can be punished for an offense, depending on what he did wrong.

And non-violence can be eliminated as a wrong teaching. After all, it didn’t exist before. But this does not mean that no one can ever commit such an offense. It’s just that now the theory of nonviolence has become widespread.

 

[danieldemol]

The perpetrators most likely refer to those who spread the teaching of nonviolence.

If by nonviolence you mean pacifism they are perpetrators of what is largely self harm in my view. The way I see it you can't save everyone. What punishment does "Babaji" have in mind for them?

But those who did not use force when necessary are also to blame.

To a lesser extent than those who used force when it was not necessary but sure.

Babaji is a strict teacher, and he does not tolerate cowardice, weakness and the flow of evil. He wants the world to be populated by brave and smart people

The only way to do that that I know of is to eliminate the cowardly and the weak. Has your Babaji eliminated his elderly parents once they reached the age of weakness? If he has I would suggest that he is a psychopath in my view.

And non-violence can be eliminated as a wrong teaching. After all, it didn’t exist before. But this does not mean that no one can ever commit such an offense. It’s just that now the theory of nonviolence has become widespread.

Citation to a reliable source that non-violence did not exist before please? I believe there have been people motivated by either fear, indecision or doubt concerning the just nature of violence since the beginning of humans and perhaps before them in the social species that preceded us.

 

[Konstantin]

To a lesser extent than those who used force when it was not necessary but sure.

Possibly, but it depends on the situation. But failure to use force can be an equally serious sin, because you become an accomplice to the crime.

The only way to do that that I know of is to eliminate the cowardly and the weak. Has your Babaji eliminated his elderly parents once they reached the age of weakness? If he has I would suggest that he is a psychopath in my view.

It is not always necessary to eliminate, but rather to re-educate. He meant the elimination of the theory of nonviolence.

Babaji did not kill his parents. And by weakness he understood, first of all, weakness of character and spirit. Even a very old person may not allow dishonor to be committed in his presence. There are those who are respected and feared (in a good way) by young people.

Citation to a reliable source that non-violence did not exist before please? I believe there have been people motivated by either fear, indecision or doubt concerning the just nature of violence since the beginning of humans and perhaps before them in the social species that preceded us.

I can’t give a link, and I agree that there were such people. But I mean mass teaching. Before Jesus, the rule was “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.” Although these are two extremes, and the Truth, apparently, is in the middle and depends on the situation.

 

[1213]

The statement is controversial and ambiguous.

First, Jesus spoke about protecting yourself. Another Christian saint, John Chrysostom, said several centuries later than Jesus:

“When we, seeing others offended, do not defend them, but remain silent, this is cowardice; when we ourselves, receiving insults, endure, this is meekness.”

“You cannot shy away from battle, nor seek battle yourself...”

Secondly, it seems to me that Jesus came to Earth with certain tasks. And perhaps one of them was to reduce the level of hatred, evil and aggression in the world at that time. And his saying was like an injection, an antidote. But, apparently, it is not always true. For example, in World War II, if fascism had not been resisted, it would have increased the amount of evil on the entire planet.

If we answer violence with violence, violence never ends. I think the example of Jesus is more powerful than any violence humans can make. But, I don't judge, if people defend themselves. In a way, if someone for example goes against a bullet, it is his own fault, if it hits him.

 

[Konstantin]

If we answer violence with violence, violence never ends.

This is an ambiguous thought. You don't always need to use force. As stated above: "You need to be discerning and know what and when to resist and what specific methods are appropriate for a given situation to use."
And sometimes evil will also not disappear unless it is stopped.

I think the example of Jesus is more powerful than any violence humans can make.

I agree, but Jesus did not defend himself, but not others. Perhaps he did the right thing in that situation. In addition, it is not always necessary to destroy outrageous people. Sometimes you can get by with words or other softer methods. Babaji, first of all, I think, condemned turning a blind eye to other people's cruelty towards other people.

 

[Balthazzar]

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The statement is controversial and ambiguous.

First, Jesus spoke about protecting yourself. Another Christian saint, John Chrysostom, said several centuries later than Jesus:

“When we, seeing others offended, do not defend them, but remain silent, this is cowardice; when we ourselves, receiving insults, endure, this is meekness.”

“You cannot shy away from battle, nor seek battle yourself...”

Secondly, it seems to me that Jesus came to Earth with certain tasks. And perhaps one of them was to reduce the level of hatred, evil and aggression in the world at that time. And his saying was like an injection, an antidote. But, apparently, it is not always true. For example, in World War II, if fascism had not been resisted, it would have increased the amount of evil on the entire planet.

Quotes by Mahavatar Haidakhan Babaji on non-violence​

“The theory of non-resistance to evil through violence has damaged man’s courage and consciousness. I am for the struggle, the fight against evil and crimes that can no longer be tolerated.”

“I want to destroy the nonviolence that dominates the world. It breeds apathy and idleness. This non-use of force cooled the blood and made it like cold water. Nonviolence blurs the line between good and evil. Everyone should be brave in life. A cowardly person is like a dead person. Life without courage is not life.”

“The theory of non-harm and non-violence, instead of leading people to knowledge, has led them to ignorance. Due to the fact that a person does not use force, he lost his rights and began to fear his own shadow. I want the world to be populated by strong people!”

“I am against the theory of non-use of force, which makes a person a coward. Fight for the truth! To face tomorrow with courage, you need to show courage every day.”

“The prejudice against non-violence as such must be eliminated and the perpetrators must be punished. To do this you need to use force. For this, Babaji needs strong people who are capable of fulfilling the Will of God, so that others can grow in wisdom, be insightful and learn to make the right decisions.”

“Those who fight for justice must develop the ability to repel inhumanity and cruelty. You need to be discerning and know what and when to resist and what specific methods are appropriate for a given situation to use.”

I can agree with the last listed. The others, while ambitious and seemingly courageous, the strategist would prefer the latter rather than those mentioned before it. I despise violence, particularly against my neighbors, yet I'm not so naive to hold a position of absolute passivity. It is warranted often enough to understand its need and purpose in life.

 

[1213]

...condemned turning a blind eye to other people's cruelty towards other people.

I don't think we have to turn blind eye to other people's cruelty. And I am sure God will handle all cruel people the way they should be handled.