comments on the Qur'an whether good or bad

[anonymous9887]

1. People on here say it is the definite word of god, here is your chance to throw all your theology and questions at them.
2. Here we get to see if it truly is the word of god. If it is the word of god it should survive criticism.
3. Here is our chance to educate ourselves even further by asking all your questions.

 

[anonymous9887]

The Qur'an:
1. Claims to be 100% scientifically accurate
2. Claims to have no contradictions
3. Claims to have the most rational answers to life's questions
4. Claims mohammed is the last messenger
5. Claims it is the infallible, unchanged, word of god
6.is this god the only true god?
7. Did mohammed really write the Qur'an?
8. Is the Qur'an historically accurate?
9. If the Qur'an is the complete word of god, why the hadith?

 

[David1967]

This thread is loaded. No positive outcome is possible.

 

[anonymous9887]

This thread is loaded. No positive outcome is possible.

Why? You think it's too much information? I think there has been discussions in depth already, but if it is the word of god they should be in the spotlight for some time answering questions.

 

[anonymous9887]

1. People on here say it is the definite word of god, here is your chance to throw all your theology and questions at them.
2. Here we get to see if it truly is the word of god. If it is the word of god it should survive criticism.
3. Here is our chance to educate ourselves even further by asking all your questions.

If someone really feels so strongly about the Qur'an, throw your strongest evidence, give us your best shot, convince us this is God's word.
Maybe I'll reconsider my view

 

[Augustus]

The Qur'an:
1. Claims to be 100% scientifically accurate
2. Claims to have no contradictions
3. Claims to have the most rational answers to life's questions
4. Claims mohammed is the last messenger
5. Claims it is the infallible, unchanged, word of god
6.is this god the only true god?
7. Did mohammed really write the Qur'an?
8. Is the Qur'an historically accurate?
9. If the Qur'an is the complete word of god, why the hadith?

You are sometimes confusing what the Quran says with what various Muslims say about the Quran.

 

[anonymous9887]

You are sometimes confusing what the Quran says with what various Muslims say about the Quran.

What does your research tell you about the Qur'an?

 

[anonymous9887]

1. People on here say it is the definite word of god, here is your chance to throw all your theology and questions at them.
2. Here we get to see if it truly is the word of god. If it is the word of god it should survive criticism.
3. Here is our chance to educate ourselves even further by asking all your questions.

The question is will muslims step up and answer these charges, and will bible readers step up and challenge the Qur'an by asking theological questions?

 

[Subhankar Zac]

What I understood while reading the Quran is its fear. It speaks only of belief in Allah and denying to do so will cause hellfire and misery.
In some verses it has awful comments and commandments on killing polytheists as in Hindus, wiccans, neo pagans, etc. which surely I didnt find pleasant.
Also few verses that speak of "striking the necks of those who don't believe in Allah".
Allah is infinite, Allah is the greatest and he's the true God.

If you try to compose a surah that is better than those in the Quran, and then fail, Allah will burn you forever if you in the fire that he has prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89


Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80

Are some of the verses of the the Quran, HAdith has more dangerous passages based on people of other beliefs.

And all religions have chapters of torture. The old testament has it way more than any other scripture. Law books of ancient Hindu societies before 3000 BCE has caste put on birth and allows sacrifice of horses, goats and even death for a theft and treachery. Thervada scriptures has a few sexist verses.

Islam to be has become about world domination of some kind, though many young people of this religion follow their faith liberally without any hate.
But overall, faith by hate and fearmongering isn't something I'm comfortable with, of Islam or the old testament, mainly when it's a United religion with laws of the Quran still valid today unlike Hindu and buddhist beliefs and laws that are subjected to change with time.

This is my perception for now.

 

[anonymous9887]

What I understood while reading the Quran is its fear. It speaks only of belief in Allah and denying to do so will cause hellfire and misery.
In some verses it has awful comments and commandments on killing polytheists as in Hindus, wiccans, neo pagans, etc. which surely I didnt find pleasant.
Also few verses that speak of "striking the necks of those who don't believe in Allah".
Allah is infinite, Allah is the greatest and he's the true God.

If you try to compose a surah that is better than those in the Quran, and then fail, Allah will burn you forever if you in the fire that he has prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89


Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80

Are some of the verses of the the Quran, HAdith has more dangerous passages based on people of other beliefs.

And all religions have chapters of torture. The old testament has it way more than any other scripture. Law books of ancient Hindu societies before 3000 BCE has caste put on birth and allows sacrifice of horses, goats and even death for a theft and treachery. Thervada scriptures has a few sexist verses.

Islam to be has become about world domination of some kind, though many young people of this religion follow their faith liberally without any hate.
But overall, faith by hate and fearmongering isn't something I'm comfortable with, of Islam or the old testament, mainly when it's a United religion with laws of the Quran still valid today unlike Hindu and buddhist beliefs and laws that are subjected to change with time.

This is my perception for now.

I did not know this information. These are good things to keep in mind, and allow them to answer.

 

[anonymous9887]

Well many of the things can be answered on my end, and I would be happy to answer it on a different thread

 

[Subhankar Zac]

I did not know this information. These are good things to keep in mind, and allow them to answer.

If I take the Bhagavad Gita, both a terrorist and a pacifist can interpret it in their own terms.
Krishna says it's okay for Arjuna to kill Arjuna's relatives because their bodies will die but their soul is immortal.
Nazis used the bhagavad gita and the Mahabharata to spread their evil ideas.
But for a Devotee of Narayana will know that harming a living being who's innocent and defenseless is the greatest sin in the world and the greatest punishment is the cry of pain that the tortured living being releases.

Except Jain, buddhist, etc scriptures... Most are a combination of both good and bad.
Arjuna forgave the kauravas for trying to kill Arjuna and his brothers twice, for illegally stealing their land, for raping the wife of pandava, for scheming against them... But when it was about getting their rights, a warrior had to do his duty and destroy the evil kauravas from ruling India's greatest city with lawlessness and evil ideology.

So, the Nazis used this story to kill Jews, gays, Africans, etc.. while Vaishnavas used it to promote AHIMSA (prime example- Mahatma Gandhi).

 

[anonymous9887]

If I take the Bhagavad Gita, both a terrorist and a pacifist can interpret it in their own terms.
Krishna says it's okay for Arjuna to kill Arjuna's relatives because their bodies will die but their soul is immortal.
Nazis used the bhagavad gita and the Mahabharata to spread their evil ideas.
But for a Devotee of Narayana will know that harming a living being who's innocent and defenseless is the greatest sin in the world and the greatest punishment is the cry of pain that the tortured living being releases.

Except Jain, buddhist, etc scriptures... Most are a combination of both good and bad.
Arjuna forgave the kauravas for trying to kill Arjuna and his brothers twice, for illegally stealing their land, for raping the wife of pandava, for scheming against them... But when it was about getting their rights, a warrior had to do his duty and destroy the evil kauravas from ruling India's greatest city with lawlessness and evil ideology.

So, the Nazis used this story to kill Jews, gays, Africans, etc.. while Vaishnavas used it to promote AHIMSA (prime example- Mahatma Gandhi).

Well you are right that's why we give people a chance to explain the scriptures.

 

[OurCreed]

The Qur'an:
1. Claims to be 100% scientifically accurate
2. Claims to have no contradictions
3. Claims to have the most rational answers to life's questions
4. Claims mohammed is the last messenger
5. Claims it is the infallible, unchanged, word of god
6.is this god the only true god?
7. Did mohammed really write the Qur'an?
8. Is the Qur'an historically accurate?
9. If the Qur'an is the complete word of god, why the hadith?

1. The Qur'an doesn't claim that.
2. It does claim that, and there are no contradictions.
3. Doesn't claim that.
4. Doesn't claim that.
5. You're off, the Qur'an claims that God will protect it's words. This means that there can be fake copies of the Qur'an, but the actual words are protected by God and there is a way to restore the original text.
6. The Qur'an claims that God is one God, and has 100 names for God. Allah is just an Arabic word used for God. Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs use Allah for God as well.
7. How is this relevant? This has nothing to do with what the Qur'an says.
8. Again, this is a random question you're asking which doesn't go along with the first 5 claims.
9. The Qur'an already talks about hadith: http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/a_dozen_reasons_(P1153).html

Sorry to this this Paul, but your understanding of the Qur'an, as well as your argumentation skills, are poor. It's difficult to debate with you when you aren't even consistent with your arguments.

 

[Rival]

2. It does claim that, and there are no contradictions.

1.How many days did it take for Allah to create the world?
2. Are Jews and Christians fellow 'people of the book' who will go to paradise, or are they 'the worst of creatures'?
3. Were all things made of water or clay?
4.What came first, heaven or earth?
He it is Who hath created for you all that is on earth.
Then He turned to the heaven, and made them into seven heavens. -- Sura 2:29

Sura 41:9-12 also gives details on the creation process and confirms that the earth was created first and then the heavens. But then we read also:

Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built?
He raised the height thereof and ordered it;
and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morn thereof.
And after that, He spread out the earth. -- Sura 79:27-30

5. Did Nuh's son die? Or no?

(Remember) Noah, when he cried (to Us) aforetime:
We listened to his (prayer) and delivered
him and his family from great distress.
-- Sura 21:76



So the Ark floated with them on the waves (towering) like mountains,
and Noah called out to his son, who had separated himself (from the rest):
"O my son! embark with us, and be not with the unbelievers!"

The son replied: "I will betake myself to some mountain: it will save me from the water."
Noah said: "This day nothing can save, from the command of Allah,
any but those on whom He hath mercy!" And the waves came between them,
and the son was among those overwhelmed in the Flood.
-- Sura 11:42-43

There are quite a few in there.

Also bonus question: even if there were no contradictions that wouldn't man it was from God, since I hope the maths textbooks I used at school had no contradictions either, but they are certainly not God-given!!

 

[Pastek]

1. People on here say it is the definite word of god, here is your chance to throw all your theology and questions at them.
2. Here we get to see if it truly is the word of god. If it is the word of god it should survive criticism.
3. Here is our chance to educate ourselves even further by asking all your questions.

You're right it's legitim to ask questions about any religion.

 

[McBell]

The Qur'an:
1. Claims to be 100% scientifically accurate
2. Claims to have no contradictions
3. Claims to have the most rational answers to life's questions
4. Claims mohammed is the last messenger
5. Claims it is the infallible, unchanged, word of god
6.is this god the only true god?
7. Did mohammed really write the Qur'an?
8. Is the Qur'an historically accurate?
9. If the Qur'an is the complete word of god, why the hadith?

Please provide the verse(s) from the Koran to support each of these claims.

 

[FearGod]

While reading from the anti Islam websites and just copying and pasting their misleading ideas
about Islam without "you" being really interesting to find the truth by making your own investigation
which may lead you to the salvation.

We have answered the questions many times and the same questions are repeated time after
time and the same threads in different shapes and colors.

My advice to the disbelievers is to live with good morals because it's the real salvation and not to
rely on their belief that there will be no life after this present one.

 

[Raahim]

Why are people seeking to much evidence for other religions?
If you want a religion to be so much proven to you go and talk with rabbis, imams, priests because they will do it way better than everyday believers.

If someone really feels so strongly about the Qur'an, throw your strongest evidence, give us your best shot, convince us this is God's word.
Maybe I'll reconsider my view

The strongest evidence: The Quran itself.

 

[Rival]

Why are people seeking to much evidence for other religions?
If you want a religion to be so much proven to you go and talk with rabbis, imams, priests because they will do it way better than everyday believers.

I see what you are saying and it is mostly true. However, in my opinion, a believer ought to have sufficient knowledge of his faith (especially if he joins forums wherein he is going to be asked to talk about it). Secondly, a convert especially should do a lot of research before converting to be able to provide at least reasonable claims to justify his conversion and what he believes and why. The believers should do thorough research in-stead of just relying on what Priests, Gurus and Imams say and taking it for granted. Also, one could go to several different, say, Priests and get several different answers. For instance, does one go to a Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant, Anglo-Catholic, Lutheran,or a Baptist priest/vicar/whatever?