Of course we can't test for entities that show no signs of existence in the first place.
"No signs of existence"? I guess that depends upon what lens you are looking through. "None so blind", as I have said before.
I'm talking about your line of logic.
You claim that complex things must be designed. You argue that the universe, the earth, the ecosystem, etc. are all so complex, that they must be designed by some master Designer. That complex things only come from designers. Then you tell me that the God you worship is complex, so complex, in fact, that we can't even begin to understand or know what he/she/it, truly is and what he/she/it is truly capable of. You defeat your own design argument in doing so. Because if this God you worship is even more complex than the universe which you claim is so complex that it must be designed, then following the line of logic you are using, the God you worship must also have been designed.
No you are talking about "your" line of logic. You are talking about measuring something for which "you" (proponents of evolution) have no method to quantify it. Does that mean it can't exist....or only that you "believe" it can't?
How do you measure what you cannot see....like magnetism or the wind? Isn't it the cause and effect principle? You can measure the effect but cannot actually see the cause.
This is the same principle when applied to the Creator. I don't see this entity as some big magician in the sky waving his wand around and 'poofing' things into existence.....I see "Him" as the great first cause of matter, shaped, crafted and placed exactly where he wanted things to go. I see the universe (as vast as it is) as his project, a launch if you will, into something new, fashioned out of materials that he created with his immense power. It wasn't something that magically appeared in 7 literal days, but over eons of time. The Genesis account allows for this.
P.S. Science is not a person. It doesn't believe anything. Science is a tool. We can't test for things that leave no evidence of their existence. It's as if they don't exist at all.
I understand that when they don't want to acknowledge something, humans have a knack of explaining things away. Cognitive dissonance is not something only displayed by religious people.
It is what we humans have always done to reinforce our favored position.
Science is not a person but a think-tank of many (seemingly) intelligent minds all contributing to propping up a pet theory held in common. Lets face it, ego driven science is not about to be made a fool of.....they will move heaven and earth to make this theory 'believable' and ridicule anyone who dares to question its validity.
I find it amusing that whilst people decry religion, they support the theory of evolution with an equal kind of dedication and devotion. It makes evolutionary science appear to be a virtual substitute for ID....the one chosen by those who want to appear to informed and intelligent, no matter how unintelligent that scenario may be when you break it all down.
Good thing I refrain from making such claims.
Scientists have no such qualms. Dawkins and those of his ilk say that evolution is a fact.....that is not true. Its an unproven theory and always will be. Willing something to be true doesn't make it so. I have a belief system but so do scientists....they just won't admit it.
You really need to brush up on burden of proof.
Science could brush up in this area too. I have seen no 'proof' that what they 'suggest' 'might have' happened all those billions of years ago, actually did. Without the diagrams and charts outlining what science' believes' may have led to the vast array of lifeforms on this planet, what do they actually have? The fossils have only got the voice that scientists gave them...and they are good ventriloquists is all.
It's not. I'm not even sure what you're talking about.
I am talking about an unproven (and unprovable) theory that has virtually come to eliminate (in the minds of the indoctrinated masses from childhood onward) what humans have 'believed' for many thousands of years. It has replaced the Creator as the "religion" that people now follow. It has its 'deities', its 'scripture' and its 'temples' and it has the adulation of many who see it as the shining light of modern civilization. It is nothing more than just another form of false worship, as I believe people will come to see.
Christianity, (itself horribly corrupted,) has been instrumental in this defection because of adhering to a 7 day literal week of creation.
Its not an either/or decision in this situation if you just keep your balance and stop inventing barriers that don't really exist. Each one has been taught to despise the other, like a war when no such division was necessary in the first place. Each can be reconciled if you replace fantasy with known fact and employ principles that science already knows. Its not rocket science.
Evolution is one of the most well evidenced, robust scientific theories in existence.
No its not...its the best marketed and advertised theory in existence. By and large, if you want to sell something, you first have to make its rival either redundant or dangerous, then you talk up your own product with suggestions that are so believable that the masses will beat a path to your door. Advertising agencies count on this method. This is what science has done with evolution.
Its the old margarine verses butter argument all over again.....now they telling us that butter was the better option all along because margarine is made out of toxic and rancid substances whipped together with artificial coloring and flavoring to make it look like butter.
It causes more heart disease than butter ever could. Its people's ignorance that causes them to be so easily manipulated. It is a cultivated ignorance. (perception management)
Plastic is another product that became something we couldn't live without....but look at its impact on the world! Plastic pollution is clogging up the world's waterways and landfill and killing marine creatures by the millions. Just think...if plastic had been made out of hemp, instead of chemically based petroleum products, the environment would not have been adversely affected at all.....hemp is completely bio-degradable and if consumed by marine creatures, would have nourished them instead of killing them. Breaking down in landfill, it would have enriched to soil instead of polluting it and possibly poisoning the underlying water table.
Do we see any moves afoot to ban the production of chemically based plastic in favor of a more environmentally friendly product? We shouldn't hold our breath.
When there is money to be made, greedy men use science for their own evil purposes. We all pay.
Biological organisms evolve - that is a fact.
Again, you make my point for me. Biological organisms have all been endowed with the ability to adapt to changing environments....we know this for a fact. But for scientists to take that fact and inflate it to a ridiculous degree without being able to provide any proof for what they suggest, is just leading a gullible mob of people (who want the Creator to go away) to accept their conclusions based on what? There is no proof.
Most humans don't want to live by God's rules or to feel bad about anything they are doing. That's all well and good, but if there is a Creator to account to for the lousy job we have done at managing his Earth, and the complete disregard we have shown for his creation, then lots of people are going to be in for a very rude shock IMO.
