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Communism - why does America hate it?

shortfade2

Active Member
Nothing. The opposite, in fact. This is why Liberals support higher taxes, especially for the rich. That money goes to the poor and disadvantaged. People who need it.

I was just wondering but...how many of you have ever actually received any money from the government that was from other taxpayers? In my mind...I dont trust the government to be responsible with giving that money to the poor. I think that they just say that its going to the poor, but they use 90% of the new taxes for supporting their own governmental functions/needs/desires....anybody else agree? If the government had more integrity, I would be ok with a good portion of taxes going to the poor.
 
I was just wondering but...how many of you have ever actually received any money from the government that was from other taxpayers? In my mind...I dont trust the government to be responsible with giving that money to the poor. I think that they just say that its going to the poor, but they use 90% of the new taxes for supporting their own governmental functions/needs/desires....anybody else agree? If the government had more integrity, I would be ok with a good portion of taxes going to the poor.

I agree. If there was more transparency, or there were a lot more examples of the government being responsable with our money, there wouldn't be much of an argument against higher taxes. If they were actually responsable, I suspect everyone would be getting a tax cut and we would be running a surplus as well...
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend TAL,

I notice that many right-wing nutjobs claim to be Christian and hate communism, but I can't make any sense of it, because the Bible obviously supports communism in Acts 4:32-36 and attacks modern capitalistic principles such as borrowing and lending in Proverbs, in addition to Jesus's parables and comments on the rich and actve opposition towards marketing in the temple (Matthew 19:16-23, Luke 12:13-21, Mark 11:15-17).

Though am not an American but since human across the world are one race can understand the possible reasons.
Religion is a way, which has to do with *stilling of the thoughts* and when that happens everyone including things that are seen or not seen, all become ONE.
Whereas in general most do not know/understand what is a *STILL MIND*.
Most humans know that the mind is for THINKING and when one thinks then it boils down to *I*, *ME*, *WE*, *US* etc. and that is power and that is the *EGO / SELF* and so about Capitalism, wealth, power, etc.

Love & rgds
 

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
I was just wondering but...how many of you have ever actually received any money from the government that was from other taxpayers? In my mind...I dont trust the government to be responsible with giving that money to the poor. I think that they just say that its going to the poor, but they use 90% of the new taxes for supporting their own governmental functions/needs/desires....anybody else agree? If the government had more integrity, I would be ok with a good portion of taxes going to the poor.

Perhaps this is the case in the US...not in Canada.

My father died just after I turned 14. That made me qualified to get an orphan benefit. The government sends me a cheque every month of $213.99. I have a job now. But obviously for years when I was still too young to work, I was getting money from other taxpayers. I get this benefit until I'm 18 (I'm almost 19 now) - or if I'm a student (which I am) until I'm 22 years old.

There are benefits for couples so they can get subsidized daycare. There are even more benefits for low-income families. Not to mention the universal healthcare we have here. Obviously not everyone is a taxpayer, but that money is going directly towards people who need it - poor people with medical issues.

There are benefits for people upgrading their homes to be more energy-saving to encourage green technology. There are benefits for pretty much everything. Some people object to these policies because they claim it takes away people's hard-earned money to give to people who don't deserve it. It's a rather cruel way of looking at things. I wonder how these people would like it if they were homeless and eating out of dumpsters and nobody bothered to give them a helping hand because they assumed they are too lazy to find a job. Or to be denied life-saving medical care because they can't afford it. Or to struggle to find money for a daycare for their kids so they can go to work and make money to feed them. Are these people really so heartless? It's this mindset of "Me, me, me!" that is causing the problems in our society. They also don't understand the purpose of taxes is for the benefit of the collective country, not the benefit of the people who are not struggling.

Don't get me wrong. I love America and Americans...but that's the main reason I would never live there. You couldn't pay me to. It's that "Capitalism or gtfo" nonsense.

The biggest problem we have in dealing with impoverished Canadians is dealing with the Native Canadian population. But it's for reasons that are REALLY complicated and I don't want to veer far off-topic by explaining why this is a difficult issue for the Canadian government and people to tackle and why it's a huge problem. Personally, I view it as Canada's biggest problem. I would be happy to tackle it in another thread, though, if anyone wants me to pursue this line of topic.

The very reason I prefer to live in Canada is because we have a more human system that looks at lives and not dollars. I understand the importance of making money. But for some things, profit cannot be the main concern. Maybe that's why you're disillusioned with your government. You feel it doesn't have much integrity and don't trust them. Obviously we have different governments.

Do I agree? Depends on the integrity of your government, I guess.
 

shortfade2

Active Member
Our represenatives do not even represent us even more. Its all about self benefits, and what these people want. THey get into office and then fulfill their own agenda
 

OmarKhayyam

Well-Known Member
Our represenatives do not even represent us even more. Its all about self benefits, and what these people want. THey get into office and then fulfill their own agenda

Clearly not true. An example:

Washington (CNN) - Rep. Anh "Joseph" Cao said Sunday he put the needs of his district over the desire of his party in being the lone House Republican to vote for a sweeping overhaul of the nation's health care system.

The fact is politicians don't get re-elected by defying the voters.
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
Oh, yeah, another reason to hate it. Communism denies the individual private property rights. Under communism, nobody owns anything. Only the STATE owns anything...who is the state? An intellectual elite? A democratic mob? who?..usually its whomevers got the most guns.

Under capitalism, the individual is supposed to own their own property.

This right is easily taken away from people in countries who are used to totalitaritan regimes (ie, china, russia, etc) but its not so easy to take away this right from people who have it already.

Though the carbon cap and trade scam was a really good attempt. :angel2:

Communism is theoretically stateless; if you're talking about the Soviet model, very few communists support such incarnations of governance; indeed North Korea, the USSR, and Cuba are often labeled "state capitalist" because they are structured in such a way that they resemble early mercantile capitalism, with a few government-appointed "merchants" on the top directing production. I'm not sure if you've read Marx or not, but communism is not about depriving individuals of property ownership. One still possesses all their furniture, clothing, household, and so on it. Communism is a non-hierarchical planned economic system with the source of economic power based away from centralized authorities.

I could go on in detail about how the Soviet model developed as it did, but that's for another thread, I suppose.
 
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Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
America hates communism because communists have suspect sexual practices -- for instance, they enjoy sex.
 

Neo-Logic

Reality Checker
Certainly not in the current sense of the term. Again, I have yet to see a justification of property as a right. Property is fundamentally different from other natural rights in that its fundamental nature is exclusive. If I own something it directly conflicts with your ability to own it.

If you mean moral justification, then it's a pointless discussion. Everyone wins, no one wins, it's a tie.

If we're speaking of legal, or logical reasons for property ownership, then we can reiterate the obvious reasons and get this show on the road.
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
If you mean moral justification, then it's a pointless discussion. Everyone wins, no one wins, it's a tie.

If we're speaking of legal, or logical reasons for property ownership, then we can reiterate the obvious reasons and get this show on the road.

Keep in mind when we talk about property we have to define what "property" really means, because the commonplace understanding of property as being "anything you own" differs from the term as used by a lot of communists.

The question relates to private property over the means of production, not ownership over purchased commodities or a personal living space. What is the obvious reason for having ownership over property where the existence of that property is not use but incremental power/wealth gains? Are you trying to say the fact the Walton family exercises more authority over the lives of millions than most Western governments combined is not something to be weary about?
 

Neo-Logic

Reality Checker
What is the obvious reason for having ownership over property where the existence of that property is not use but incremental power/wealth gains? Are you trying to say the fact the Walton family exercises more authority over the lives of millions than most Western governments combined is not something to be weary about?

If you deny people from deciding what to do with something they own then you set a dangerous precedence that is far more evil than the original party being able to control how their personal property is used. If they cannot how their properties are used, who should be controlling them? Government?
 
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