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Concerning so-called "Faith Healers."
- Thread starter David1967
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susanblange
Active Member
I agree. You just have to get used to the old English. Sometimes when I'm quoting scripture, I remove the archaic language and replace it with proper English.
Magicians makes lots of money getting folks to consider the possibility of real magic. Faith healers make their money by getting folks to consider the possibility of a real God. People are willing to invest their hard earned money into supporting what they believe. Their money, their choice.
Are you suggesting there are times when I am not correct?You are correct... But you already knew that, didn't you?
Good.Not at all... Wouldn't want to upset Elmo.
Funny you should say that. I had a nut case in my shop last week that claimed he prayed for a man with a missing finger and it grew back fully by the next day. I only wish I was making that up.
amorphous_constellation
Well-Known Member
I don't know if benny hinn falls under the category, but watching his stuff I'm surprised people don't get injured when they crash down on stage with all those hard angled objects and corners
You do not mention that there was ever a diagnosis of cancer, just "11 emergency cancer investigation tests."
Have you any idea, by the way, why God might have so favored you as to intervene in your painful knees, while leaving so many without help or hope? Because, as I'm sure you know, the very, very great majority of people who suffer and die actually never get divine help. And a lot of them actually pray with heartfelt sincerity.
Do you not find it absolutely astounding that nobody ever thinks to record such wonders while they're happening? I mean, everybody's got a frickin' cell phone these days, and evidence is becoming something of a glut in our courts because of so much over-surveillance -- yet every time something like this is reported, nobody even remembered that the camera had been invented a long time ago! Go figure...
InChrist
Free4ever
Exactly!
I recently heard this ...
In the church today there are those who follow after and even pay money to attend events where there are reportedly miracles taking place. They keep filling these arenas, they keep giving their money and in some cases their social security checks to go attend an event, hear a man who can do nothing like what is recorded in the Bible. Listen, if you have the gift of healing, you don’t need to rent an arena, you need to go to the local hospital and tell people, "rise up and walk in the name of Jesus!", "Receive your sight, in the name of Jesus". Listen, that's what miracles are.
- Pastor Barry Stagner
InChrist
Free4ever
So sorry you went through that.
Do you not find it absolutely astounding that nobody ever thinks to record such wonders while they're happening? I mean, everybody's got a frickin' cell phone these days, and evidence is becoming something of a glut in our courts because of so much over-surveillance -- yet every time something like this is reported, nobody even remembered that the camera had been invented a long time ago! Go figure...
Great point. You have a better chance of getting a video interview with the loch ness monster than cell phone footage of a faith healer making a limb grow back.
Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
I laughed about it. We were in a big group, and I think most of them just laughed. It was the first time in my life that I could clearly see his phoneyness. After that I started seeing the similar issues with other Preachers. Not long after that, 9/11 happened, and in a couple years I left Christianity in search of those who really worshipped God (Allah SWT). Over the following years, it became clear that Islam, Judaism, and Christianity were all deeply flawed. I thought I had the answer with Mormons but NO. Now, it seems clear that absolute devotion is a very personal, and lonely pursuit?
It's when I really started looking at being truly devout, and that perhaps the true walk with God would be a lonely one? C.S. Lewis went through a heart breaking struggle. I still go to a church once in a while to take the Sacrament, and that is troubling. Perhaps the important answers do not come until we die?
I seem to remember that Jesus made a whip, overturned the tables of the money changers and ran them out of the temple saying something to the effect of not making the temple a place to make profit or a den of thieves. It seems that these modern-day Profits (yes I spelled it that way on purpose) have conveniently ignored that as well as the NT teaching against ministry for dishonest gain (filthy lucre in the KJV).
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I think you just highlighted the reason why Christians were told to be "no part of the world".....if you vote, you must accept responsibility for what those people do once in office. If you vote for God's kingdom, you can't vote for a pathetic man-made one that is really run by the devil. (1 John 5:19; Luke 4:5-6)
We can never stop people from clinging to hope....its the one thing they need in a world that offers them none. If we have to depend on corrupt humans for our future...then what future do we see? I see nothing that I would want to live in. The Bible predicts that man's last ruling authority will be a totalitarian, one-world government dictatorship. It has been mooted for decades now, but the final tools needed to implement it are now being rolled out. What do you think 5G is for?...faster internet? Yes...but what else?
Thankfully it also predicts that this last rulership will be brief before God steps in to put a halt to it all. (Daniel 2:44)
Faith healers are leaches who prey on people's hope. They rely on the placebo effect which has been proven time and time again. We have the power to heal ourselves if we just believe it will happen. Its the reason why double blind studies are done with drug trials. Its amazing to think that the power of the mind can facilitate such healing. Orthodox medicine has no idea how that works but they know that it does.
I have also read that some believe that the devil is able to afflict some unbelievers and then when they skeptically attend these faith healing sessions out of desperation, and they get well, then they are inclined to attend these churches and give them financial support. I am not saying this is true, but it wouldn't surprise me. Satan is crafty and an expert deceiver.
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
So, you don't agree with the mandate that Jesus gave his believers?
Should Christians be preaching sick givers and poverty gospels?
So, when we pray for the sick, we do it for making huge profits?
I'm not sure I understand. Or are you saying that there are some who do it for the wrong reasons. I think the Apostle Paul had an experience like that when he said..."It’s true that there are some who preach Christ out of competition and controversy, for they are jealous over the way God has used me. Many others have purer motives—they preach with grace and love filling their hearts, 16 because they know I’ve been destined for the purpose of defending the revelation of God. Those who preach Christ with ambition and competition are insincere—they just want to add to the hardships of my imprisonment. 18 Yet in spite of all of this I am overjoyed! For what does it matter as long as Christ is being preached? If they preach him with mixed motives or with genuine love, the message of Christ is still being preached. And I will continue to rejoice" TPT Phil 1