To change a mind is a usually unattainable goal.
I go for the low hanging fruit....get a poster to think....
"Huh....even though we still disagree, now I understand that lunkhead's perspective."
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Conflict and disharmony in online social environments
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I go for the low hanging fruit....get a poster to think....
"Huh....even though we still disagree, now I understand that lunkhead's perspective."
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
What if you find a particular point of view as evil? Should you be respectful towards something you find fundamentally evil?
That's when we get to see what you're made of.
Tis easy to be respectful when we agree.
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
I really cannot be respectful towards racial supremacist of whatever stripe and I feel that their views deserve no respect whatsoever. Their views are patently ridiculous and evil. I feel they need to be shamed not respected.
Absolutley not! Attack their position not the person. I have no tolerance for racists and will not participate in their threads. I'm not to keen on homophobes either but attempt to make them think like Rev said.
Now if you find yourself having contempt for established religions, I have mixed feeling about that. People who condem Mulims, Jews, Christians, Buddists and the like give me pause. I respect Atheists and enjoy the light hearted banter. I don't mind people disagreeing with religious beliefs, but out right attacking them and telling them they should not believe what they do, crosses the line for me.
Tell people what you think not what they should think.
Many here would agree with you. If they find something offensive, then civility is out the window.
But is your goal to vent your anger or change their mind? Reason & civility are good for the latter.
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I've found over the years that supremacists of all types are really trying to make up for their inferiority, but thats just me I guess.
I've found that they usually just have a limited fearful perspective. Where common ground can be found with their racial foes,
they begin to hate less. This doesn't always happen, but in my experience, I'm pleased that it does sometimes happen.
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You rip apart the idea rather than the person holding the idea.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I've found, too, that, in general, nothing's going to either change their mind or make them feel ashamed. In fact, I feel that, many times, such outrageous POVs are pout out there just to get the reaction. They're playing with us.
antonjarrod
New Member
Greetings,
As it appears to me, people in society and the world in general are all at different stages of development: in the ordinary sense, we have younger members of society and older, we have some more knowledgeable about some things and others about other things; likewise, we have members of society who are may also be considered to be better at being tolerant, promoting openness and diversity, as well as harmony, and so on. Individuals vary in their capacities and abilities.
It is, as many people experience, very difficult to be tolerant and the like in certain cases. However, not everyone finds it difficult, and where there is the will, those who do find it difficult to be tolerant may learn how to be more so (if they so wish, that is).
My own view is that as long as people do not try to learn about how to foster tolerance within themselves, the same can only experience being intolerant, and ultimately meeting with the expressions of others'.
Anton
As it appears to me, people in society and the world in general are all at different stages of development: in the ordinary sense, we have younger members of society and older, we have some more knowledgeable about some things and others about other things; likewise, we have members of society who are may also be considered to be better at being tolerant, promoting openness and diversity, as well as harmony, and so on. Individuals vary in their capacities and abilities.
It is, as many people experience, very difficult to be tolerant and the like in certain cases. However, not everyone finds it difficult, and where there is the will, those who do find it difficult to be tolerant may learn how to be more so (if they so wish, that is).
My own view is that as long as people do not try to learn about how to foster tolerance within themselves, the same can only experience being intolerant, and ultimately meeting with the expressions of others'.
Anton
ratikala
Istha gosthi
dear anton ,
an interesting question , and perfectly appropriate
I was about to log off due to the simple facts that you outline .....
and that whilst caught in such a state of mind it is not possible to appeal to a more rational nature ,
if one holds no veiw then one can simply discuss without emnity .
the only problem lay in the difference between a VEIW , and a realised TRUTH , however , what I after many years of practice and examination might find to be true , to another seems to be yet another oppinion or veiw ......
in which case it is not worth my debating the issue , as I will simply enrage the oponent as that is how unfortunately is how he sees himself .
I have noticed in some posts recently that there is an element of sport , where by the game is to disscredit the oponent , and there fore be victorious , however there is little to be learnt from this ... except that it is futile ...and the positive effects that you speak of are only to be found by those genuinely wishing to exchange understandings ........ fortunately this does occur
but I do get rather bored with watching it going on , some times too much I and mine holding fixed oppinions !
and there are times that I might say some thing firm ... in hope that it might make a person think ,
whether I should or not I sometimes wonder ,
like today ... I was about to simply log off ... without comment .
but none the less I live in hope that"sharing" has its "positive efects"
an interesting question , and perfectly appropriate
I was about to log off due to the simple facts that you outline .....
and that whilst caught in such a state of mind it is not possible to appeal to a more rational nature ,
it is reasuring to hear that other people are noticing the same , I had laughingly thought that there must be an in auspicious planet on the furnement at present ,
without wishing to appear to be making a sweeping statement of the rude and thoughtless nature ....I have fear that all to often the intolerant among us is unaware of their own intolerance and is not for that moment capable of having a level conversation where by an exchange of thought might be a posibility.
I think that the problem lay in the word"VEIW " ... in that if one holds a strong veiw , one is more likely to run into conflict with the veiw of another ...
if one holds no veiw then one can simply discuss without emnity .
the only problem lay in the difference between a VEIW , and a realised TRUTH , however , what I after many years of practice and examination might find to be true , to another seems to be yet another oppinion or veiw ......
in which case it is not worth my debating the issue , as I will simply enrage the oponent as that is how unfortunately is how he sees himself .
I have noticed in some posts recently that there is an element of sport , where by the game is to disscredit the oponent , and there fore be victorious , however there is little to be learnt from this ... except that it is futile ...and the positive effects that you speak of are only to be found by those genuinely wishing to exchange understandings ........ fortunately this does occur
it is simply accepting each other for the person that they are , and accepting that there are different levels of understanding ,
but I do get rather bored with watching it going on , some times too much I and mine holding fixed oppinions !
and there are times that I might say some thing firm ... in hope that it might make a person think ,
whether I should or not I sometimes wonder ,
like today ... I was about to simply log off ... without comment .
but none the less I live in hope that"sharing" has its "positive efects"
antonjarrod
New Member
Greetings ratikala,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the matter. I also hope for and believe in the positive effects of sharing, although I must admit that I recognize that the chances of establishing or encountering an online community that is based in a fundamental sense and valuation of tolerance and harmony are, in the current age, very remote.
Anton
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the matter. I also hope for and believe in the positive effects of sharing, although I must admit that I recognize that the chances of establishing or encountering an online community that is based in a fundamental sense and valuation of tolerance and harmony are, in the current age, very remote.
Anton