Confussion

[Losin]

Hi everybody.... I dont really know whats happening, but thats why am i here. I practice zen-buddhism and im satisfied with it, beceause it imrove my life so much... But about 2 weeks ago I suddenly felt so strong love inside, that i couldnt describe and in my head i had only one think Islam. I thought to my self "what" ? I hated this religion so much... But i decided to follow this feeling i tried salat. I felt so peacufully after it. I dont really understand what is happening, because i still have so much problems with some islam teaching... So Im here to learn more about what bugges me My main problem is that it seems like muslims tody have problems with identification and what is right. for example one says the beating wife is ok, another say you cannot beat your wife ever and the other says you can beat her but only if you have good reason. Why is it ?
Thank you for your answers.
With love Losin :bow:

 

[Breathe]

I'm not Muslim, so I cannot answer these questions, but could I ask you to clarify about what you mean with "identification and what is right"?

Regarding the wife beating issue, have you read my thread on it? I made it some time ago for Muslim women's opinions on the issue, maybe it will help you.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/islam-dir/126192-opinions-sura-4-34-muslim-women.html

Although, may I ask: is there a reason you think these issues should be considered as barriers to the religion itself, and not as issues with some people's interpretations of it?

Anyway, I'll back off and allow Muslims to answer these questions.

 

[Losin]

I do not know i live in country where live like 300 muslim from 10 milion people. But we have really strong anti islamic attitude. And I think Im infuenced by it.
But if there are misinteprations so what if majority of muslims are misintepreting Isalm, so people from west cannost see true nature of Islam. Than it is not fault of west but muslims. And if i look at muslims country it seems to me like they are vilify the west from so many things. I am advocate of thought, that first you have to look at yourself and then you can vilify someone else.

 

[Union]

Hi Losin .

At the beginning , there was only one community called Muslim who followed Qur'an only .
Then they divided themselves into Shia and Sunni who followed Qur'an and many Hadith books .
Then Shia divided themselves into Zafri , Islamili , Zaidi etc who followed Qur'an , Hadith and the verdicts of their leaders.
Then Sunni divided themselves into Hanafi , Shafee , Hambli , Maliki etc who followed Qur'an , Hadith and the verdicts of their leaders.
The the sub sects divided themselves into ............

That is the reason you got so many opinions in one single issue .

 

[Pastek]

Read the Quran and you'll see next ...

 

[dynavert2012]

I do not know i live in country where live like 300 muslim from 10 milion people. But we have really strong anti islamic attitude. And I think Im infuenced by it.
But if there are misinteprations so what if majority of muslims are misintepreting Isalm, so people from west cannost see true nature of Islam. Than it is not fault of west but muslims. And if i look at muslims country it seems to me like they are vilify the west from so many things. I am advocate of thought, that first you have to look at yourself and then you can vilify someone else.

Hi losin
Really too happy to read your warm posts. You are true we muslins are not doing the required effirts to show the world the truth about islam and it's beauty
and we allow the media and the misguided muslins to distort the face of islam and let it popular to think that islam is terrorism, women beater , child rapist, brutal .... religion althougg islam is basically about mercy, love, just and beauty

it's our mistake sadly to say
but I do believe allah is preserving his religion and his last testament to mankind from corruption and so there are still enough numvers of believers who could provide the right answers to the true seekers
wish you will meet them here or there face to face

 

[Losin]

Yeah these divisions it seems like everything is going through the same procces of dividing.
I read the quran. Can I ask you on some things i dont understand, because i want a response from you guys not from youtube. In my opinion quran seems nice and really good, but i think hadiths are those one which are giving some crazy minded people to justify their action. For example Im a dog lover and i found there is some hadith which says that muhhamad said "kill all dogs" or something like that, which is not acceptable for me. Sorry for long posts im just confussed about what should i think. Thanks for answer

 

[Losin]

Thanks dynavert2012 for beatiful answer. You sure does show me a lot respect and love with your posts.

 

[FearGod]

Yeah these divisions it seems like everything is going through the same procces of dividing.
I read the quran. Can I ask you on some things i dont understand, because i want a response from you guys not from youtube. In my opinion quran seems nice and really good, but i think hadiths are those one which are giving some crazy minded people to justify their action. For example Im a dog lover and i found there is some hadith which says that muhhamad said "kill all dogs" or something like that, which is not acceptable for me. Sorry for long posts im just confussed about what should i think. Thanks for answer

i am a muslim and i don't trust many of the hadith which doesn't make any sense and actually some of the hadiths were found to be weak and fabricated,so the best thing
is to trust the quran in IMHO.

For example you can read another hadith about the dog as a cause for entering the paradise.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Prophet Mohummed says " Once a thirsty dog was going around a well trying hard to drink from it but couldn't . A whore from a Jewish tribe , on seeing this , took off her shoes and filled it with water to quench the thirst of the dog . Though she was a whore , God remitted her sins for quenching the thirst of the[/FONT] dog."
Reference : God's forgiveness is limitless

 

[cocolia42]

Hi Losin,

You said you read the Qur'an and it seems nice and really good. This is the important part. We should never judge a religion by the actions of the people who claim it. If we did that, we wouldn't be able to accept any religion.

I'm an American and I reverted to Islam about a year and a half ago. Believe me when I tell you I NEVER wanted to be Muslim.

But alhamdulillah, I'm incredibly grateful that I am.

The confusion you encounter is from people's interpretation, not from the Qur'an itself.

The best advice I can give you is to continue reading the Qur'an and praying. Don't worry about all the different opinions out there. We're human. We don't know everything. A person's understanding is influenced by his culture and ancestry. It's inevitable that we will misunderstand or misinterpret things here and there.

If you're sincerely looking for Truth, it will come to you.

 

[Losin]

Ok i will continue praying because i feel like it makes me a better person. I like you guys here on RF because you are always nice and warm. I encoutered a muslim group on facebook, where was picture of dalai lama and under it there were comments like he is devil, may burn in hell, I will kill him and so on. It makes me so sad

 

[Breathe]

Ok i will continue praying because i feel like it makes me a better person. I like you guys here on RF because you are always nice and warm. I encoutered a muslim group on facebook, where was picture of dalai lama and under it there were comments like he is devil, may burn in hell, I will kill him and so on. It makes me so sad

Friend Losin, if I may jump in again as a non-Muslim, I would like to ask: have you heard of the "online disinhibition effect"?
If not, it is:
Normal Person + Anonymity + Audience = the worst possible person they can be

Have you considered visiting the local mosque or some local Muslims, and chatting with them? How many Muslims do you know personally, in real life?

 

[Losin]

Yeah its true. The closest mosque from me is 400 km away and it has not good reputation ( guns in mosque, fighting with people around and so on) so even if it was in my town i would not probably go there.

 

[Union]

Yeah these divisions it seems like everything is going through the same procces of dividing.
I read the quran. Can I ask you on some things i dont understand, because i want a response from you guys not from youtube. In my opinion quran seems nice and really good, but i think hadiths are those one which are giving some crazy minded people to justify their action. For example Im a dog lover and i found there is some hadith which says that muhhamad said "kill all dogs" or something like that, which is not acceptable for me. Sorry for long posts im just confussed about what should i think. Thanks for answer

Hi . A belated post to share a view on the dog in Qur'an :

Dogs are among the blessing creatures as per Qur'an

 

[Losin]

Thank you Union i will surely read it. Here is my second issue i encourted. When there is some confilict between muslims and somebody else you just seems to care about deaths of muslims not that other people, even if muslims starts war they are in right. For Example conflict in Burma. It just seems that muslims are doing nothing and evil buddhist are just wiping them aou. But it is both side conflict and it should be resolved by love not by another war response. Ok it is just my opinion so i 100 % sure it is bad (As almost every opinion is). Thanks for answers .

 

[Union]

Thank you Union i will surely read it. Here is my second issue i encourted. When there is some confilict between muslims and somebody else you just seems to care about deaths of muslims not that other people, even if muslims starts war they are in right. For Example conflict in Burma. It just seems that muslims are doing nothing and evil buddhist are just wiping them aou. But it is both side conflict and it should be resolved by love not by another war response. Ok it is just my opinion so i 100 % sure it is bad (As almost every opinion is). Thanks for answers .

Hi Losin . I am not so sure about the current situation in Burma but I can talk about the issue in general . Almost all the battles and wars happening in this world against the Muslim are more political than religious . Hence Muslim should not mix the Islam with these chaos . Sometimes Muslim are in wrong side sometimes the others . For example USA-Iraq war , which obviously USA was at fault line while in Libya-Nato war pro-Gaddafi to be blamed . Hence situation can be judged parts by parts and it is really injustice to support Muslim only because they are our own people .

The pathetic situations in Egypt,Syria ,Sudan etc are created by the Muslims themselves and they are killing innocent people in hundred . In this case these Muslims are the evil people . The peaceful non-Muslim may enter in paradise but not them . This is just my 2C.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Thank you Union i will surely read it. Here is my second issue i encourted. When there is some confilict between muslims and somebody else you just seems to care about deaths of muslims not that other people, even if muslims starts war they are in right. For Example conflict in Burma. It just seems that muslims are doing nothing and evil buddhist are just wiping them aou. But it is both side conflict and it should be resolved by love not by another war response. Ok it is just my opinion so i 100 % sure it is bad (As almost every opinion is). Thanks for answers .

Salam and welcome aboard.

Islam does actually care about the welfare of both sides and Islam does not force us to take the path of warfare if a better peaceful way can be taken. Islam actually teaches the ways of warfare for the main purpose to ultimately protect not to simply takeover, even if it seems so on first impression. No elderly, women nor children are to be killed in war, hostages are to be treated as guests, killing should be as quick, only if necessary, and done without mutilation, etc...

Sometimes one might think of doing something really desperate when they find they have no choice or being under threat. Islam provides many of those desperate measures with rules, and warfare preparations (what they call Jihad Verse) is one of them! The only thing we have to do is to understand it and perform it the way it was meant for!

 

[Losin]

So after some time im back with my progress. This path is not easy for sure Everytime im almost certain that Islam is right for me i encounter some things, that push me little backwards again. FOr example, after i discovered that man can have multiple wifes only if if has orhans, I was almost 100 % sure. But after that i have stumbled on topic of slavery. I really like Rumi poetry and sufism, but there is many sites that say that sufism is path to hell. Nonetheless i will continue my jorney towards truth and maybe one day I will be persuaded. Peace and love

 

[Sabour]

So after some time im back with my progress. This path is not easy for sure Everytime im almost certain that Islam is right for me i encounter some things, that push me little backwards again. FOr example, after i discovered that man can have multiple wifes only if if has orhans, I was almost 100 % sure. But after that i have stumbled on topic of slavery. I really like Rumi poetry and sufism, but there is many sites that say that sufism is path to hell. Nonetheless i will continue my jorney towards truth and maybe one day I will be persuaded. Peace and love

Friend losin, hello and welcome.

I am going to address the "wife beating" you mentioned, meanwhile I just wanted to say that I hope you the best in your journey. I recomment you to watch videos for "Yusuf estes" between now and than.

Best wishes

I will address slavery too friend, just give me for tomorrow

 

[Smart_Guy]

Yeah, Islam is a complicated religion because it talks about all aspects of life. We as humans can never be satisfied with a complete law no matter what. To have a law that deals with every thing, there ought to be things that seem bad for the sake of the ultimate good!

Actually, having multiple wives (a max of four) is forbidden if no justice can be delivered to all of them, plus some other laws for another time!