Congratulations to the British People

[Notanumber]

It's the reality that he's been having his cake and eating it this entire time. Hates the EU but happy to sponge off them.




He hasn't retired from politics though; he's still riding the gravy train as an MEP. And during his tenure he has consistently enjoyed a salary for a job he hasn't done; he has claimed expenses while not actually representing his constituents' concerns (which I'm sure go a bit beyond '**** the EU'). In fact he's so not-done with politics that he's formed his own one-man band Brexit Party.

A video from 2012 where Guy Verhofstadt points out that during 2011-12, Nigel Farage was on the EU's Fishery Committee and paid himself a salary yet did not attend a single committee meeting. How can he represent the UK when he does not turn up to do work?

I'd be happy to accept your proposition if he wasn't retiring probably richer than when he started. For being such an awful organisation, Farage has been happy enough to accept more than his fair share of their cash.

At least Nigel has been upfront and honest about it.

Lord & Lady Kinnock's £10m Euro gravy train

Nigel’s supporters could have stopped voting for him if they thought he was any worse than the rest of them.

 

[Notanumber]

Instead of him doing jail time I'd be happy for him to forfeit every penny he has claimed during his tenure as an MEP. Minus, of course, the days he actually did some work.

But @Altfish is right, you'd be screeching 'persecution!' from the rooftops if he was arrested for fraud or embezzling or some other kind of crime related to lying/false representation in order to get money.

You are having a laugh. I believe in one set of laws for everyone. I do not want to live in a dualistic society.

 

[Altfish]

I never scream. I leave that to the snowflakes that you support.

Hey, a definition of a snow flake is someone who moans when they are critcised; SYL and his supporters are snowflakes in chief

 

[Altfish]

At least Nigel has been upfront and honest about it.

Lord & Lady Kinnock's £10m Euro gravy train

Nigel’s supporters could have stopped voting for him if they thought he was any worse than the rest of them.

Nigel is not upfront about it, he is secretive and deceptive. The press shamed him about it.
Why do you think he started this Brexit party? I'll tell you, he can see us being forced into EU elections and he wants to stand and grab his money for the next few years.

 

[Notanumber]

Hey, a definition of a snow flake is someone who moans when they are critcised; SYL and his supporters are snowflakes in chief

Your mate Timmy is a typical snowflake.

This man agrees with us. He wants nothing to do with Facebook either.

 

[Notanumber]

Nigel is not upfront about it, he is secretive and deceptive. The press shamed him about it.
Why do you think he started this Brexit party? I'll tell you, he can see us being forced into EU elections and he wants to stand and grab his money for the next few years.

If you were being forced to vote for Nigel, you would have something to moan about.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

At least Nigel has been upfront and honest about it.

I don't recall Nigel being upfront and honest about the fact he was a member of the Fishery Committee from 2011-12 at least, and claimed a salary despite never being there.

Lord & Lady Kinnock's £10m Euro gravy train

Whataboutism. I don't agree with anyone being a lord or lady, period. Entrenched privilege is what it is. And just because these two are corrupt doesn't mean Farage gets away with no criticism. Anyone who complains that the EU is corrupt or that we'd all be better off without it who also gets rich from that same system is a hypocrite. End of.

Nigel’s supporters could have stopped voting for him if they thought he was any worse than the rest of them.

If you were being forced to vote for Nigel, you would have something to moan about.

We're being forced to live his political dream; one he achieved through deception, hypocrisy, misrepresentation and cowardice. I'd say we've got plenty to "moan about".

 

[Notanumber]

I don't recall Nigel being upfront and honest about the fact he was a member of the Fishery Committee from 2011-12 at least, and claimed a salary despite never being there.




Whataboutism. I don't agree with anyone being a lord or lady, period. Entrenched privilege is what it is. And just because these two are corrupt doesn't mean Farage gets away with no criticism. Anyone who complains that the EU is corrupt or that we'd all be better off without it who also gets rich from that same system is a hypocrite. End of.








We're being forced to live his political dream; one he achieved through deception, hypocrisy, misrepresentation and cowardice. I'd say we've got plenty to "moan about".

Gerard Batten agrees with both you and @Altfish.

 

[Jumi]

The People's Vote March is safely and deservedly a major event in British History, and makes the return of sanity to British political discourse that much more likely.

The EU and GB are both bad at negotiations that much we know so far about "sanity"...

The Brits will be happy if they can avoid Article 11 and Article 13. The abuse of copyright law isn't exactly new, but we'll be seeing more of it soon. Of course Pirate Parties are on the rise, so maybe the new EU will be full of Pirates and Right-Wing populists.

 

[LuisDantas]

The EU and GB are both bad at negotiations that much we know so far about "sanity"...

The Brits will be happy if they can avoid Article 11 and Article 13. The abuse of copyright law isn't exactly new, but we'll be seeing more of it soon. Of course Pirate Parties are on the rise, so maybe the new EU will be full of Pirates and Right-Wing populists.

I don't think that I saw any indication of the EU being bad at negotiations so far, unless you want to consider their seemingly unstoppable willingness to put up with unreasonable expectations from the UK as a flaw.

Truth be told, Theresa May has also done an almost supernaturally good job at building a deal, given the imposed constraints.

It is the Leaver expectations that are inherently insane, far as I can figure. There is a heckuva lot of self-contradicition in their mindset. In that sense they resemble the French Yellow Vests a lot.

 

[Altfish]

I don't think that I saw any indication of the EU being bad at negotiations so far, unless you want to consider their seemingly unstoppable willingness to put up with unreasonable expectations from the UK as a flaw.

Truth be told, Theresa May has also done an almost supernaturally good job at building a deal, given the imposed constraints.

It is the Leaver expectations that are inherently insane, far as I can figure. There is a heckuva lot of self-contradicition in their mindset. In that sense they resemble the French Yellow Vests a lot.

This is spot on.
The EU representing 27 nations have set out their stance, stuck together, united.
The UK representing one nation has divided, had no clear mandate, set unachievable 'red lines', still, now, after almost 3 years don't have a clear plan.
And, it is not just the Remainers that disagree; Leavers can't agree between themselves what they want.

 

[Jumi]

I don't think that I saw any indication of the EU being bad at negotiations so far, unless you want to consider their seemingly unstoppable willingness to put up with unreasonable expectations from the UK as a flaw.

Of course most of the reporting is from the EU side so it wouldn't be surprising to get biased view on it. The pirate party gets us some infromation about what goes on that you won't hear about. Most media present EU as the hero who is always right. We may not understand the hair ruffling and face slapping in my country any more than we do Trump's antics, but we tolerate it, because it's the EU. Sexual harassment? Tolerable, if it's the EU or even the EU body meant to be for gender equality. Certainly not as bad as if it happened in the US. Article 13 and Article 11? Maybe Google, Youtube and the Freedom of the Internet activists are worried, but it's good for big business(?) and traditional medias so not much there either... terrible law, but if it comes from the good guys it must be acceptable.

Truth be told, Theresa May has also done an almost supernaturally good job at building a deal, given the imposed constraints.

She's certainly worked hard. We agree that she isn't the problem, and that her "team" is a bit insane.

It is the Leaver expectations that are inherently insane, far as I can figure. There is a heckuva lot of self-contradicition in their mindset. In that sense they resemble the French Yellow Vests a lot.

I don't think they resemble each other in any way except that they're EU problems that aren't going away and there aren't going to be any solutions presented in any timely manner.

It's true that France needs to change a lot to accomodate for what mistakes they have done, the policies there won't work without austerity and sacrifice. The same will be the future for much of Europe, EU or not.

 

[Altfish]

Of course most of the reporting is from the EU side so it wouldn't be surprising to get biased view on it. The pirate party gets us some infromation about what goes on that you won't hear about. Most media present EU as the hero who is always right. We may not understand the hair ruffling and face slapping in my country any more than we do Trump's antics, but we tolerate it, because it's the EU. Sexual harassment? Tolerable, if it's the EU or even the EU body meant to be for gender equality. Certainly not as bad as if it happened in the US. Article 13 and Article 11? Maybe Google, Youtube and the Freedom of the Internet activists are worried, but it's good for big business(?) and traditional medias so not much there either... terrible law, but if it comes from the good guys it must be acceptable.

That is certainly not true in the UK; most of our (printed) press is Brexit supporting, so the bias is pro-Brexit

She's certainly worked hard. We agree that she isn't the problem, and that her "team" is a bit insane.

A navi works hard; a bricklayer works hard; what we needed was someone who worked smart.

I don't think they resemble each other in any way except that they're EU problems that aren't going away and there aren't going to be any solutions presented in any timely manner.

Wouldn't argue with that apart from there is a British 'Yellow Vest' that are pro-Brexit

 

[Jumi]

That is certainly not true in the UK; most of our (printed) press is Brexit supporting, so the bias is pro-Brexit

Back when we joined the EU we were given a rosy picture about it and thus voted for it. Of course the promises never came to be, but we were still expecting it. Then we had some British documentary on the EU translated on national TV. We learned then that there were people that weren't 100% for the EU, though my country was still the most optimistic, the true believers of the union or disciples. The Brits have always been considered outsiders not willing to sacrifice their independence and what they achieved on their own. For us, we sacrificed and got treated worse than you. You've always gotten special treatment, if you come back may it end.

A navi works hard; a bricklayer works hard; what we needed was someone who worked smart.

Agreed.

Wouldn't argue with that apart from there is a British 'Yellow Vest' that are pro-Brexit

Yeah, we also have something like that, people saying they want "more democracy." They're not euroskeptic per se here, but more like the French. People in my country don't get into mass movements that easily and have protestant work ethic so we won't have anything like France. They even commented that "we aren't like the French so don't expect us to behave like them"

 

[LuisDantas]

Of course most of the reporting is from the EU side

It is? Mine is mainly from the UK. Of course, I read a bit of Politico as well.

so it wouldn't be surprising to get biased view on it. The pirate party gets us some infromation about what goes on that you won't hear about. Most media present EU as the hero who is always right. We may not understand the hair ruffling and face slapping in my country any more than we do Trump's antics, but we tolerate it, because it's the EU. Sexual harassment? Tolerable, if it's the EU or even the EU body meant to be for gender equality. Certainly not as bad as if it happened in the US. Article 13 and Article 11? Maybe Google, Youtube and the Freedom of the Internet activists are worried, but it's good for big business(?) and traditional medias so not much there either... terrible law, but if it comes from the good guys it must be acceptable.

Argh. That would be a terrible attitude for anyone to have.

She's certainly worked hard. We agree that she isn't the problem, and that her "team" is a bit insane.

I don't think so. She is a big part of the problem, in no small measure because she is being fanatic in her goal to attempt to keep the Tories together a little bit longer, much to the detriment of the UK.

UKIP, however, is pretty much insane, as is the ERG.

I don't think they resemble each other in any way except that they're EU problems that aren't going away and there aren't going to be any solutions presented in any timely manner.

It's true that France needs to change a lot to accomodate for what mistakes they have done, the policies there won't work without austerity and sacrifice. The same will be the future for much of Europe, EU or not.

I fear that you have lost me.

 

[Altfish]

Back when we joined the EU we were given a rosy picture about it and thus voted for it. Of course the promises never came to be, but we were still expecting it. Then we had some British documentary on the EU translated on national TV. We learned then that there were people that weren't 100% for the EU, though my country was still the most optimistic, the true believers of the union or disciples. The Brits have always been considered outsiders not willing to sacrifice their independence and what they achieved on their own. For us, we sacrificed and got treated worse than you. You've always gotten special treatment, if you come back may it end.

The UK was known as "The basket case of Europe" when we joined, we are leaving as one of the powerhouses; now you could argue that that is nothing to do with the EU but I doubt it.
We were treated special; if we are to rejoin, there is no chance of that. We will be out for good or, as I believe, for bad.

 

[Jumi]

It is? Mine is mainly from the UK. Of course, I read a bit of Politico as well.

I don't follow them much. In general I don't think UK has very high quality in their newspapers.

Argh. That would be a terrible attitude for anyone to have.

Yet that is how it often reads like. Media is not only about bias in reporting, but bias in what they leave out of their reports. It's quickly buried under other stories and rarely do pro-EU folks know about the problems and think "you're making it up"... why? Because the good guy doing wrong doesn't register to them.

I don't think so. She is a big part of the problem, in no small measure because she is being fanatic in her goal to attempt to keep the Tories together a little bit longer, much to the detriment of the UK.

Our perceptions maybe different. There are limits that she can't cross or she is done and someone else takes over if she does. Blaming her for the limits existing doesn't sound good to me.

I fear that you have lost me.

There's always a price to be paid for bad decision making and organizational structures that don't work tend to cause a lot of that. Europe is not headed forward, we stopped doing that and look more to becoming a US of Europe, but with more censorship and less internet.

You scared of the populist right wing winning time after time in the EU? They will take those hastily designed control structures made to please record companies and use it for their own purposes. And why will the populist right wing win? Because the EU is feeding it. If the EU was as idealistic as it was presented to us when I voted to join the EU, I would still be a supporter.

GDPR made me feel good at first, then I stopped being able to access many US news sites or links. Then they rammed through, EU style "vote again if the casino doesn't win" article 11 and article 13. After all the angry people who found out about it through wikipedia, google, teacher's unions called their reps the law failed. Then when everyone forgot, the EU pushed it again. It's no surprise Czechia now has pirate party as their largest MEP group.

 

[Jumi]

The UK was known as "The basket case of Europe" when we joined, we are leaving as one of the powerhouses; now you could argue that that is nothing to do with the EU but I doubt it.
We were treated special; if we are to rejoin, there is no chance of that. We will be out for good or, as I believe, for bad.

Yes, you had preferential treatment all the way. Same with Germany and France. That's just one reason not to like the EU for the rest of us as we lost our business and had to sacrifice some of our economy so the golden geese could keep laying eggs.

 

[Altfish]

Yes, you had preferential treatment all the way. Same with Germany and France. That's just one reason not to like the EU for the rest of us as we lost our business and had to sacrifice some of our economy so the golden geese could keep laying eggs.

Which country are you from?

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't follow them much. In general I don't think UK has very high quality in their newspapers.

It apparently doesn't (although The Guardian seems to be a fair cut better than some others), but I have been following a bit of Channel Four, somewhat more of TLDRNews and (mainly) A Different Bias on YouTube.