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Consciousness in Cavemen? A Debate.

mickiel

mickiel

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Kerr said:
Ok. The reason I ask is because our specie is dated to be about 200 000 years old, and the youngest neanderthal remains found is about 30 000 years old, which means that we lived "together" on this planet.
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No it does not mean that, conscious humans began with Adam, which was less than 3,000 years ago, I think. However long ago Adam appeared on the scene, thats when civilization began, its when human consciousness began, its when " Our Conscious Speices " began.

Peace.
 
MountainHumanist

MountainHumanist

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The way I read it is that our brains evolved in a kind of layering system. The bottom later resembles a reptiles and the layers above resemble those of increasingly advanced mammals. At some point, the layering architecture of the human brain made it possible for consciousness as we think of it to exist. I'm guessing there was no one point where one could say..this is the bright, shining dividing line that separates human intelligence.
 
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Tristesse

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mickiel said:
No it does not mean that, conscious humans began with Adam, which was less than 3,000 years ago, I think. However long ago Adam appeared on the scene, thats when civilization began, its when human consciousness began, its when " Our Conscious Speices " began.

Peace.
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You forgot to preface your statement by saying according to mythology...
 
mickiel

mickiel

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Tristesse said:
Because I like to believe things that have a high probability of being correct. We have evidence that early humans used to eat neanderthals. In some of the neanderthal bones that were discovered there were human teeth marks. Indicating that they most likely ate some of them.
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Well if that was the case, they simply ate each other, our species didnot live in those days.

Peace.
 
MountainHumanist

MountainHumanist

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mickiel said:
No it does not mean that, conscious humans began with Adam, which was less than 3,000 years ago, I think. However long ago Adam appeared on the scene, thats when civilization began, its when human consciousness began, its when " Our Conscious Speices " began.

Peace.
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It's likely there was never a historical Adam. His story seems to have evolved from ancient Sumerian/Babylonian myths. The creation myth of Genesis is just that, a myth that seeks to provide an easy explanation for how and why humanity arose (pre-scientific).
 
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Kerr

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mickiel said:
No it does not mean that, conscious humans began with Adam, which was less than 3,000 years ago, I think. However long ago Adam appeared on the scene, thats when civilization began, its when human consciousness began, its when " Our Conscious Speices " began.

Peace.
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It means our specie did. You can argue that it did not have conscious until God gave it to us 3000 years ago, however... we built pyramids before 3000 years ago, and to my knowledge that does not just require being conscious, it require language, how to build things, guess maths are a part of it, and so on.
 
mickiel

mickiel

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Kerr said:
It means our specie did. You can argue that it did not have conscious until God gave it to us 3000 years ago, however... we built pyramids before 3000 years ago, and to my knowledge that does not just require being conscious, it require language, how to build things, guess maths are a part of it, and so on.
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That just means Adam came before Egypt appeared on the scene, and I am not sure of that timeline, but I'll find out.

Peace.
 
mickiel

mickiel

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MountainHumanist said:
It's likely there was never a historical Adam. His story seems to have evolved from ancient Sumerian/Babylonian myths. The creation myth of Genesis is just that, a myth that seeks to provide an easy explanation for how and why humanity arose (pre-scientific).
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No, its not a myth, in fact its stronger history than any Sumerian or Babylonian history.

Peace.
 
Perfect Circle

Perfect Circle

Just Browsing
Kerr said:
It means our specie did. You can argue that it did not have conscious until God gave it to us 3000 years ago, however... we built pyramids before 3000 years ago, and to my knowledge that does not just require being conscious, it require language, how to build things, guess maths are a part of it, and so on.
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Kerr, I highly suggest you just leave this thread... Mickiel has no idea what he's talking about on even the most elementary level, and would prefer to sit back, postulate some ridiculous claim, then laugh maniacally as kind, decent people (like yourself) try to present him with evidence as to why he's mistaken. He has no intention of learning anything or letting go of his pre-conceived notions.
 
ericoh2

ericoh2

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Kerr said:
It means our specie did. You can argue that it did not have conscious until God gave it to us 3000 years ago, however... we built pyramids before 3000 years ago, and to my knowledge that does not just require being conscious, it require language, how to build things, guess maths are a part of it, and so on.
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Good point about the pyramids, frubals. As far as I know scientists today still have a hard time explaining how humans were capable of building the pyramids with the technology believed to be available at the time. This implies that in some regards, humans of that time may have actually had a higher understanding than we have today. Not to mention the advanced techniques used for mummification by ancients. I'm not sure how old this practice has been dated but I think it's several thousand years.
 
mickiel

mickiel

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Tristesse said:
Well, if adam came before egypt, than that was at least 12-13,000 years ago. not 3,000
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Really, man , I got to look further into that and get it right. If thats the case, then civilization is at least 13,000 years old. E-mail me that info if you have it please.

Peace
 
mickiel

mickiel

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ericoh2 said:
Good point about the pyramids, frubals. As far as I know scientists today still have a hard time explaining how humans were capable of building the pyramids with the technology believed to be available at the time. This implies that in some regards, humans of that time may have actually had a higher understanding than we have today. Not to mention the advanced techniques used for mummification by ancients. I'm not sure how old this practice has been dated but I think it's several thousand years.
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Well I have my timeline wrong, but I'll get it right. I was told egypt was at least 13,000 years old, Adam came before egypt, so human consciousness must be at least that old.

This will be the first thing I have learned from debate with Atheist and others here. And its an important thing too.

Peace.
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
mickiel said:
My research does not.
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Than can you kindly post the information that's telling you otherwise?


mickiel said:
Neanderthals never lived alongside any other type of human,
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"For about 70,000 years, Neanderthals roamed Earth with modern Homo sapiens. Fossil evidence from the Middle East suggests that our ancestors not only lived at the same time as Neanderthals, but probably lived alongside them in some areas."

Source: Evolution: Humans: Origins of Humankind

See how this works? I have information that contradicts what you assert and I produced a source for my reasoning. Please note that NOVA, PBS, Discovery, TLC, Science channel are reputable outlets.


mickiel said:
never! And I have never, get this, never stated that we were not related to Neanderthal or Cromagnon, goodness, they were human, we are human, the only difference is consciousness.
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It's not about what you said or didn't say. It's not about your opinion. You, like ALWAYS, are trying to speak on subjects you know nothing about. You are dishonest and ill-informed. You don't want anyone to disagree with you and when they do you revert back this whole thing about how your knowledge comes from your mind and rarely from books or websites.

Now, can you kindly post some information we can checkout that agrees with you that Neanderthals did not possess a consciousness? Or do you just want us to take your word for it? Remember the video that was linked some time ago by Seyorni? In that video around 38:31 The person speaking, I think he was an archeologist, said that Neanderthals had "consciousness".

But really, what is "consciousness? All consciousness mean is to be (Self Aware and/or aware of ones surroundings). Neanderthals were certainly aware of themselves as well as their surroundings. This has already been told to you at length at the other forum you belong to.

Mickiel IS a TROLL..: A debate: did cavemen have Consciousness? - Religion and Philosophy - Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism, God, Universe, Science, Spirituality, Faith, Evidence - City-Data Forum


mickiel said:
Stop putting words into my mouth, if your going to accuse me, at least do it correctly.

Peace.
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Stop being a uneducated TROLL...........
 
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