Consequences of suicide

[Smart_Guy]

Do you think that guys with mental illnesses have an objective advantage when it comes to their eternal destiny?

Why do you ask about the guys only and not the girls?
Just kidding

I know for sure that God highly considers such situations. So yes, I believe their mental illnesses give them an advantage.

 

[viole]

Why do you ask about the guys only and not the girls?
Just kidding

I know for sure that God highly considers such situations. So yes, I believe their mental illnesses give them an advantage.

Lucky them

Ciao

- viole

 

[Smart_Guy]

Lucky them

Ciao

- viole

I think they deserve it. We do not know what they go thru

 

[Aquitaine]

Yes, special cases are also considered in the Islamic view, in actually in everything, not just suicide. If someone, for example, with mental problems that messes their judgement and logic, killed themselves, they are most likely going to be forgiven for it depending on how they were aware of their surroundings at the time they commit the suicide. The presence of mind in Islam is one major important factor.

Which is one of the areas of Monotheism which I always find rather baffling: why does the Creator implant illnesses into its creation, only to then judge the creation for behaving in accordance to such illnesses?

 

[viole]

I think they deserve it. We do not know what they go thru

Yes. But don't you envy them? After all, what we have to go through during a few decades here is hugely insignificant when compared with an eternity of bliss. And if we make the safe assumption that they will spend eternity without their mental illnesses, then this is equivalent to get a free ticket to heaven.

Honestly, if I had to choose, I would vastly prefer to be mentally sick, if what you say is true.

So, why did they get this advantage and we (well, at least me) did not?

Ciao

- viole

 

[David1967]

I think they deserve it. We do not know what they go thru

I agree my friend.

 

[David1967]

Which is one of the areas of Monotheism which I always find rather baffling: why does the Creator implant illnesses into its creation, only to then judge the creation for behaving in accordance to such illnesses?

Depends on what school of monotheistic thought you come from. There are those that think God micromanages every aspect of our lives down to picking who gets sick from what, to who is poor and who is rich. The other way of thought is basically ,"bad things happen". Otherwise this view says that Adam sinned (original sin) and mankind fell. Everyone born after this was subject to the curse God put upon Adam that we would all surely die (please don't ask me how that's fair). Biblically we see evidence of this, example, Job of the Old testament. Paul the apostle suffered from an unnamed illness. All the disciples excluding Judas who betrayed Christ , died a horrible martyrs death save one 'John", and he was persecuted. And what about the thousands of Christians, Muslims, and Yazidis being murdered by Isis today? Why does God allow such things?Anyway, its the age old question of why do bad things happen to good people while the wicked sometimes prosper? Why? I Don't know how this plays out in the big scheme of things or how any good can eventually come from it. But on a lighter note, scripture does say that the rain falls on the crops of the wicked as well as the just. I'm sure that falls short of a good answer, but....just a thought.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Reminder:
This is the Comparative Religion section which means it is not for extended discussions or debates.​

Which is one of the areas of Monotheism which I always find rather baffling: why does the Creator implant illnesses into its creation, only to then judge the creation for behaving in accordance to such illnesses?

Believe me, I wish I knew the exact reason behind it. Even I am having difficulties in life good enough to make me explode, yet I'm managing. My faith is helping me a lot in being happy in situations I'd be really sad.

Yes. But don't you envy them? After all, what we have to go through during a few decades here is hugely insignificant when compared with an eternity of bliss. And if we make the safe assumption that they will spend eternity without their mental illnesses, then this is equivalent to get a free ticket to heaven.

Honestly, if I had to choose, I would vastly prefer to be mentally sick, if what you say is true.

So, why did they get this advantage and we (well, at least me) did not?

I think it is because we have other advantages in this life they don't, plus different advantages than the one they have for us to still go to heaven. Dunno really. I'm not mentally ill to take that advantage, yet I don't feel bad about it. I wouldn't prefer to be in their place just for that specific advantage as I see the other advantages I have and they don't, are worth it. We also do not know how will they be in heaven. I mean, if according to their state of mind they can be happy, which we cannot fathom, maybe in heaven they will be that way. Happiness is not defined by my or your standards only.

That's what I think.

 

[arthra]

Curious as to what different religions teach on the subject of suicide. What are the consequences as taught other than the obvious that a person dies?

I believe Baha'is are forbidden to commit suicide... and that those who do under whatever duress are dependent on the mercy of God...

"In reply to your letter of 1 May 1979, the Universal House Of Justice has instructed us to share with you the following excerpt from a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi by his secretary to a believer who asked about suicide.

"'suicide is forbidden in the Cause. God Who is the Author of all life can alone take it away, and dispose of it the way he deems best. Whoever commits suicide endangers his soul, and will suffer spiritually as a result in the other worlds beyond.'

"the House of Justice admonishes you to put all thought of suicide and death out of your mind and concentrate on prayer and effort to serve the Cause of Bahá'u'lláh."

(From a letter written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice to an individual believer, June 7, 1979)

(Compilations, Lights of Guidance, p. 203)

Some additional citations on suicide follow:

Abdu'l-Bahá, in replying to a bereaved widow whose husband had taken his own life, stated the following: As to thy husband, rest assured. He will be immersed in the ocean of pardon and forgiveness and will become the recipient of bounty and favour.

'Abdu'l-Bahá, Selections from the Writings of 'Abdu'l-Bahá, p. 201

Regarding the "In Memoriam" section of Bahá'í News: although suicide is so strongly condemned in the teachings, it does not mean that a person has ceased to be a Bahá'í because he killed himself; he should, therefore, be mentioned, the same as other believers, in this section.

Shoghi Effendi, in Principles of Bahá'í Administration, p. 15

(Compilations, NSA USA - Developing Distinctive Baha'i Communities)

 

[Erebus]

I would be surprised if there was any kind of punishment in the afterlife for suicide. It may be that those who die in such an extreme of anguish may persist for some time as an unhappy spirit, but I couldn't say for certain. My hope is that they find whatever peace they were looking for.

To me the real consequences of suicide aren't in some hellish afterlife, but in the effect it has on the living. As hard as it can be for somebody with severe depression to realise it sometimes, suicide would devastate those who love them. No matter what the individual may experience (or not experience) after death, that's one thing that can never be undone.

 

[Unification]

i meant liberal as in not holding a traditional fundamentalist view of the scriptures

Yes, one idea is liberation from traditional fundamentalist view of texts. That sort of stuff divides.

As he stated, one committing suicide was already in a conscious state of hell(mental torture/agony/depression/despair, etc.)

That conscious state may end up being worse than the first state. There could be no physical human body as resistance to harness all of that negative energy. It would be like the worst itch that can't be scratched. That negative energy could only attract and be able to combine with the combined compatible genetics of a mother/father with similar negative-energy. That energy will hover until it can enter and find rest in that particular fetus when the pineal gland is formed in the fetus of the womb. Compatible with all the same wild mental diseases of the parents.

The next idea is liberation from that conscious state of hell into a conscious state of heaven, peace/rest/bliss. A re-alteration of genetics/energy/conscious mind. The destruction and rebuilding of the temple(conscious mind) by realizing and unlocking the great energy within to transform and alter.

 

[David1967]

and samurai would do themselves fatal....for honor

There is a different thought. Suicide not from mental illness or self pity but for honor such as the Kamakazi or the Samarai. I actually hadn't thought of that.