conservative party accused of 'fundamental' failure" over islamaphobia

[Shad]

The thread is about Islamophobia.

Yes... and? I was clarifying a statement I made which you took to mean something different.

 

[Shad]

Correct, and i have never said otherwise

Never intended to suggest that. It was clarification as my posts are being to mean something I never said such as post #105.

 

[Shad]

No it is not nonsense, as mentioned above, it describes a situation that exists.

No it doesn't as it uses nonsensical criteria as per my secularist point. Ergo Muslims can be Islamophobic...

Does it?

Yes.

So you are not prejudice against the opposing political party to the one you support?

Nope. Also I am an independent.

Opposing policy and ideas as not a prejudice.

Exactly. How? Only islamophobes can answer that one.

Nope. It only takes a minor amount of intelligence to figure out. Try again.

They are the ones dishing out hatred.

Sure.

 

[Notanumber]

Yes... and? I was clarifying a statement I made which you took to mean something different.

I was discussing Islamophobes.

 

[ChristineM]

No it doesn't as it uses nonsensical criteria as per my secularist point. Ergo Muslims can be Islamophobic...



Yes.



Nope. Also I am an independent.

Opposing policy and ideas as not a prejudice.




Nope. It only takes a minor amount of intelligence to figure out. Try again.



Sure.

Islamophobia exists as described in the definition, in that it is perfectly adequate and accurate. There are cases where it can see it as a mockery but they are quote few (but media hyped by islamophobic press and perpetuated by islamophobes in an attempt to minimise and ridicule the seriousness of islamophobia)

Really? I would like to see evidence rather than foot stomping.

So whats your IQ?

Glad you agree

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Why is it dishonest when it describes a situation that exists?

It in no way implies irrationality.

Sure its an irrational fear, so is fear of islam

Care to explain the discrepancy between your posts? 'Islamophobia' "in no way implies irrationality" in your first post but just over an hour later "its an irrational fear, so is fear of Islam".

 

[Shad]

Islamophobia exists as described in the definition, in that it is perfectly adequate and accurate.

Not when it include politics and an idea instead of just people

There are cases where it can see it as a mockery but they are quote few (but media hyped by islamophobic press and perpetuated by islamophobes in an attempt to minimise and ridicule the seriousness of islamophobia)

The flip side is people scream Islamophobia over nothing.

Really? I would like to see evidence rather than foot stomping.

It is your burden to establish one can be prejudice against an idea as that is your claim not mine. I am backing the standard definition so here is a dictionary.

Definition of prejudice | Dictionary.com

So whats your IQ?

Last time I was tested it was 121 when I finished grade 9 in 2 months when I was 14.

You never actually thought about the identification issue at all.

 

[Altfish]

Last time I was tested it was 121 when I finished grade 9 in 2 months when I was 14.

In theory your IQ doesn't change with age.

 

[ChristineM]

Care to explain the discrepancy between your posts? 'Islamophobia' "in no way implies irrationality" in your first post but just over an hour later "its an irrational fear, so is fear of Islam".

Because i screwed up and apologised for my error, so burn me at the stake

 

[ChristineM]

Not when it include politics and an idea instead of just people



The flip side is people scream Islamophobia over nothing.



It is your burden to establish one can be prejudice against an idea as that is your claim not mine. I am backing the standard definition so here is a dictionary.

Definition of prejudice | Dictionary.com



Last time I was tested it was 121 when I finished grade 9 in 2 months when I was 14.

You never actually thought about the identification issue at all.

You have a very narrow view of islam

Some do, yes. As i said, these cases are hyped the hell out of while muslims being attacked are ignored.

The definition exists, it is not me trying to decry that definition, it is you. Please done try shifting your problems onto me.

And so you insinuate i have a low IQ? How sad.

Dont tell me what i i thought of and i wont try reading your mind and getting it wrong. It is not the first time you have tried mind reading and failed, i would have thought you would learn from your mistakes.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Because i screwed up and apologised for my error, so burn me at the stake

Ah, I've just noticed your apology. Okay, at least we know where you stand. Sorry I didn't spot that before now.

 

[Shad]

You have a very narrow view of islam

Assumption as I never stated my view of Islam.

Some do, yes. As i said, these cases are hyped the hell out of while muslims being attacked are ignored.

I do not see that. I see attacks on Muslims more often in the new than people arguing about a false claim.

The definition exists, it is not me trying to decry that definition, it is you. Please done try shifting your problems onto me.

Wrong. You said prejudice can include ideas. That is your burden to prove as the definition of prejudice does not include ideas. Try again.

And so you insinuate i have a low IQ? How sad.

121 is in the level before genius and considered gifted. Try again. Beside you are the one that can't figure out how people misidentify others as Muslims while I have no issues figuring it out. So yes I do think you are not too bright if you can not figure that out.

Dont tell me what i i thought of and i wont try reading your mind and getting it wrong.

Okay then you have a low iq instead of putting no effort in. Again you couldn't figure a point out yourself while I had no issues.

It is not the first time you have tried mind reading and failed, i would have thought you would learn from your mistakes.

So low iq or a lack of effort. Pick one. Neither makes you look good. Again you were the one that couldn't figure out identification issues

 

[Shad]

In theory your IQ doesn't change with age.

Never said that. I stated my score when I was tested which was at 14. Now go look at the point that was being made about identification issues. If people can not figure this out they are not too bright or put no effort in.

 

[Altfish]

Never said that. I stated my score when I was tested which was at 14. Now go look at the point that was being made about identification issues. If people can not figure this out they are not too bright or put no effort in.

Why take the hump!
No need to call me dumb.
I made a point, why quote your age?

Chill out

 

[Shad]

Why take the hump!
No need to call me dumb.
I made a point, why quote your age?

Chill out

I didn't call you dumb. I said go look at the point I was making about identification issues. It is easy to figure out how people misidentify non-Muslims as Muslims. For example Sikhs and some Muslims wear similar clothing. It is the assumption that the clothing is "Muslim" rather than Arab or Sikh. Beards, turbans, etc. All based on an Arab stereotype. It isn't rocket surgery.

I quoted the age I was when I had the IQ test. It was part of the school administration's evaluation in order for me to challenge the finals. It is the most recent IQ test I had so the only one I could reference.

The issue with IQ not changing is that the tests for IQ do change. You could take a number of IQ tests resulting in different scores. Anxiety can lower a score with does not reflect actual intelligence but a mental issue which hamper the test's evaluation as the test never considers other factors.

 

[Audie]

Because i screwed up and apologised for my error, so burn me at the stake

In America we settle for "bite me".

 

[ChristineM]

Assumption as I never stated my view of Islam.



I do not see that. I see attacks on Muslims more often in the new than people arguing about a false claim.



Wrong. You said prejudice can include ideas. That is your burden to prove as the definition of prejudice does not include ideas. Try again.




121 is in the level before genius and considered gifted. Try again. Beside you are the one that can't figure out how people misidentify others as Muslims while I have no issues figuring it out. So yes I do think you are not too bright if you can not figure that out.



Okay then you have a low iq instead of putting no effort in. Again you couldn't figure a point out yourself while I had no issues.



So low iq or a lack of effort. Pick one. Neither makes you look good. Again you were the one that couldn't figure out identification issues

You state your view on islam regularly.

There ya go.

Again .it is not me dissing the definition

You made a statement, i responded to your statement. With an IQ like that you would think it would be quite easy for you to work out.

I never said i cant figure it out, i said (in effect) who knows the mind of the abuser. Think on that

FYI, i have taken 4 IQ tests and although the results are each slightly different they all beat yours. And i have had enough of your condescending insults based on deliberate ignorance. Goodbye

 

[ChristineM]

Why take the hump!
No need to call me dumb.
I made a point, why quote your age?

Chill out

The guy is so full of himself he is blind to reality

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Some do, yes.

Unfortunately that problem is only going to get a lot worse now that people like the All-Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims have agreed such a flawed definition.

Going by their definition standing up against Islamic homophobia is racist because said homophobia is founded in Islamic belief & cultural norms - therefore it can legitimately be considered an expression of Muslimness.

As i said, these cases are hyped the hell out of while muslims being attacked are ignored.

I don't agree that these cases are "hyped the hell out of". They're cases of Muslims & other Islamophiles doing exactly what we have been saying they would do from the beginning: taking advantage of the deliberately vague definition of 'Islamophobia' to shut down debate and legitimate concerns re: Islam & Islamism by tarring those concerns with the same brush as xenophobia and racism.

Attacks on Muslims are brought up in the media quite frequently. What is hardly being talked about is the fact Birmingham Muslims are trying to a) force their beliefs on everyone else - by trying to get No Outsiders stopped across England because it contradicts Islam; b) bring their beliefs into the political sphere which essentially is Islamism.

Many on the Left are disturbingly silent on this issue. It feels like the more regressive elements of the Left have decided to leave LGBTs to fend for themselves rather than risk being called 'Islamophobic' for daring to take the side of reason.

 

[ChristineM]

Unfortunately that problem is only going to get a lot worse now that people like the All-Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims have agreed such a flawed definition.



I don't agree that these cases are "hyped the hell out of". They're cases of Muslims & other Islamophiles doing exactly what we have been saying they would do from the beginning: taking advantage of the deliberately vague definition of 'Islamophobia' to shut down debate and legitimate concerns re: Islam & Islamism by tarring those concerns with the same brush as xenophobia and racism.

Attacks on Muslims are brought up in the media quite frequently. What is hardly being talked about is the fact Birmingham Muslims are trying to a) force their beliefs on everyone else - by trying to get No Outsiders stopped across England because it contradicts Islam; b) bring their beliefs into the political sphere which essentially is Islamism.

Many on the Left are disturbingly silent on this issue. It feels like the more regressive elements of the Left have decided to leave LGBTs to fend for themselves rather than risk being called 'Islamophobic' for daring to take the side of reason.

islamophobia is bigger than britain and i repeat, it is not a flawed definition, but there are abuses.