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Conservative snowflakes succumb to butts.

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That's cuz you arrived in a more modern age,
one with more liberty about bodily functions.
Look at TV....in the 50s, Ricky & Lucy slept in
separate beds, despite being married. My, how
things have changed.
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So. How did little Ricky get there...

Oh.... never mind.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
It strikes me as a stupid choice of book to pick, I must say. It's often an uphill battle to get kids that age to refrain from talking about bodily functions in polite company. Reading something like this to them undermines that effort.
Yes. Its a school principal, so its the wrong book for that person to read if you're facing such an uphill battle.

But I'm sure second graders still joked about farts in the olden days no?
But, Ray, what makes a fart joke funny is that it is taboo. If it isn't taboo then its not nearly as funny. I'm serious about that. Its how risque jokes function. In explicit terms a person who feels suppressed by the cultural rules will seek out ways to relieve the illogic that they feel around them. A joke like this can relieve the pressure and help them bond with and identify others who are more like themselves -- those who don't think that its such a big deal to talk about farts. Sometimes English language in particular is laden with such dirty jokes, stuffed with them actually. You don't notice them, because its how you learned to talk but they are there. Its a language of dirty humor. Consider how similar the word 'Sorted' is to 'Sorded' and ask the question "Why did British people get into the habit of saying 'Well that is sorted.' " Because they were a people oppressed by extreme rules about speech, an island of people with a history of being invaded and new rules placed upon them; and as their language grew it was filled with dirty jokes and objections to those rules and oppressions. And it helped make things seem not so bad.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Yes. Its a school principal, so its the wrong book for that person to read if you're facing such an uphill battle.

But, Ray, what makes a fart joke funny is that it is taboo. If it isn't taboo then its not nearly as funny. I'm serious about that. Its how risque jokes function. In explicit terms a person who feels suppressed by the cultural rules will seek out ways to relieve the illogic that they feel around them. A joke like this can relieve the pressure and help them bond with and identify others who are more like themselves -- those who don't think that its such a big deal to talk about farts. Sometimes English language in particular is laden with such dirty jokes, stuffed with them actually. You don't notice them, because its how you learned to talk but they are there. Its a language of dirty humor. Consider how similar the word 'Sorted' is to 'Sorded' and ask the question "Why did British people get into the habit of saying 'Well that is sorted.' " Because they were a people oppressed by extreme rules about speech, an island of people with a history of being invaded and new rules placed upon them; and as their language grew it was filled with dirty jokes and objections to those rules and oppressions. And it helped make things seem not so bad.
Where do you get that from? "Sorted" is a contraction from "sorted out", meaning organised and settled, a situation that been resolved. And it seems to be a fairly new usage, dating back only a few decades*. Sordid is quite different and doesn't even sound similar in British English.

Normal, polite English speech is not laden with dirty jokes and innuendo, so far as I am aware. Or, if you have evidence to the contrary, you will need better examples.;) Perhaps you are thinking of Australain English? That's a very different kettle of fish, as Monty Python recognised.

*Though I did work with a guy at the end of the 70s, from the North West, who used the expression "sorting someone out" to mean beating them up. :D
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
That's cuz you arrived in a more modern age,
one with more liberty about bodily functions.
Look at TV....in the 50s, Ricky & Lucy slept in
separate beds, despite being married. My, how
things have changed.
77-565x381.jpg
Good point
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Don't think you should get someone fired just because you don't like what they say, or read in this case.

Maybe have an open discussion so both sides can understand the position of the other. The thing would be to do what is best for the kids. Can't just assume it is based on one's own bias.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
As usual, Americans are just totally nuts when it comes to anything having to do with the natural body and its functions.

I have an old favourite song from two British gents, Flanders and Swann, who performed in the 1950s and 60s, making quite lovely fun of the way that kids like to name such things as their urine, and the other thing, and abdomen (always have sex with wild abdomen, I say), their posteriors, and even their undies -- which the Brits variously call drawers or pants -- and of course pants means nuts (sorry, crazy) in Brit slang. It's called "Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers."

 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It strikes me as a stupid choice of book to pick, I must say. It's often an uphill battle to get kids that age to refrain from talking about bodily functions in polite company. Reading something like this to them undermines that effort.
As the guy said, it's a silly read and he picked it because he thought the kids would like it. They did. His goal was to help get them interested in reading. If a fart joke of a kid's book gets some of them reading then great. It's probably not even delivering a message that contradicts "polite company" norms.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
As usual, Americans are just totally nuts when it comes to anything having to do with the natural body and its functions.
I guess you haven't watched any American television or movies from the last 30-40 years.
Uptight, backwater religious and conservative prudes don't represent America (even if they do in their own little minds.)
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Over reaction

BUT...

When I send my 2nd grade child to school... my desire is for them is to learn how to read, write, do arithmetic et al.

I can't really say that the subject the Assis Principle grabbed is exactly any parents favorite topic.

Poor choice... but, then again, he went to college so perhaps i'm not surprised.

It was an improvised "read aloud" session with second graders whose age range fell well within the book's target audience. The subject matter is completely innocuous. Anyone who finds farts and butts to be controversial doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.

I do understand why you would take a parting shot at education, though; your worldview is sustained by ignorance, whereas knowledge brings it crashing down into a smoldering heap of rubbish. :)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Over reaction

BUT...

When I send my 2nd grade child to school... my desire is for them is to learn how to read, write, do arithmetic et al.

I can't really say that the subject the Assis Principle grabbed is exactly any parents favorite topic.

Poor choice... but, then again, he went to college so perhaps i'm not surprised.
I remember teachers reading to us.
I recall one sci fi story that was captivating.
(The Bible stories...not so much.
Remember, this was pre Engel v Vitale.)
Perhaps this got me where I am today?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
It was an improvised "read aloud" session with second graders whose age range fell well within the book's target audience. The subject matter is completely innocuous. Anyone who finds farts and butts to be controversial doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.

I do understand why you would take a parting shot at education, though; your worldview is sustained by ignorance, whereas knowledge brings it crashing down into a smoldering heap of rubbish. :)
Always a clown in the bunch. ;)

I said "over reaction". Reading comprehension helps.

But an impromptu on my side wouldn't have produced the fart of the guy selection :D

My enlightened worldview makes the current smoldering heap of rubbish into something beautiful :D Might even reach you.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
That's cuz you arrived in a more modern age,
one with more liberty about bodily functions.
Look at TV....in the 50s, Ricky & Lucy slept in
separate beds, despite being married. My, how
things have changed.
77-565x381.jpg
This has nothing to do with "ages", but with American censorship laws that were later repealed.

European couples were quite capable of sleeping in the same bed during the same era of film.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
This has nothing to do with "ages", but with American censorship laws that were later repealed.
Laws changed as society changed.
If you can't perceive different ages,
this would explain your poor grasp
of history.
 
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