Consider that Capitalism is the Real Problem

[Kilgore Trout]

I prefer Capitalism, because I realize there is no system that won't result in the many having little and being controlled by the few. But, at least with capitalism, I have a chance.

I do realize that many other people don't have the capacity to take advantage of this chance, so I wouldn't expect them to support a system where competition exists.

 

[Stevicus]

That doesn't make sense. Their communist rivals still have access to weaponry and soldiers. Backed by China, as N Korea was and still is.

Both sides had weapons and soldiers, and both South Korea and South Vietnam had more people than their northern counterparts, so they had the ability to build even larger armies. The Chinese didn't get involved in Korea until after the US did, and even then, the Chinese didn't have enough weapons to arm all their troops.

 

[Corvus]

Both sides had weapons and soldiers, and both South Korea and South Vietnam had more people than their northern counterparts, so they had the ability to build even larger armies. The Chinese didn't get involved in Korea until after the US did, and even then, the Chinese didn't have enough weapons to arm all their troops.

Having more weapons and troops doesn't guarantee victory. The RAF proved that against the Luftwaffe fairly well.

 

[Stevicus]

Having more weapons and troops doesn't guarantee victory. The RAF proved that against the Luftwaffe fairly well.

Well, in their case, they also had the RN, which was far superior to the Kriegsmarine. The RAF also had radar, which was an invaluable piece of technology for its time. It was also helpful that the Luftwaffe was led by an incompetent drug addict.

Even if the Germans had won the air battle, there was still the matter of getting ground troops across the Channel, which was no easy feat. Their plan involved using a number of Rhine river barges which were not really suitable for the choppy waters of the English Channel.

 

[Corvus]

Even if the Germans had won the air battle, there was still the matter of getting ground troops across the Channel, which was no easy feat. Their plan involved using a number of Rhine river barges which were not really suitable for the choppy waters of the English Channel.

Absolutely. The English planned to set the sea on fire too, using oil, as a nice little welcome to Blighty present for ze Germans.

 

[Corvus]

I was born in Bonn to a German father and English mother, which always amuses people.

 

[Nakosis]

I would argue that its democracy they want.

Ok, but the point is where are the millions risking their lives trying to escape capitalism?

 

[Nakosis]

Didn't Jesus say ''Give everything you have to the poor and follow me, if you would be perfect'' doesn't sound compatible with capitalism to me.

imagine it folks actually did that. Then the poor, ex-poor, would be running the earth, being just as greedy as the rich were enslaving ex-rich to their needs.

Someone's got to work. Someone has to run things which means someone is going to have power over other folks.

 

[Stevicus]

imagine it folks actually did that. Then the poor, ex-poor, would be running the earth, being just as greedy as the rich were enslaving ex-rich to their needs.

Someone's got to work. Someone has to run things which means someone is going to have power over other folks.

There's no guarantee that it will always operate the same way. Not all humans are the same. We have a diverse species and a diverse planet, where some societies have been more enlightened and progressive than others. Some societies have advanced further than others, and some have become quite powerful, while others have remained behind, weak and vulnerable.

"Greed," of course, is one of the Seven Deadly Sins. Not that I put much stock in that sort of thing, but at least it has been recognized as one of the more common human failings for quite a long time.

 

[Nakosis]

"Greed," of course, is one of the Seven Deadly Sins. Not that I put much stock in that sort of thing, but at least it has been recognized as one of the more common human failings for quite a long time.

Well, I don't judge. I just accept reality for what it is.

Whatever it is that you want, are you really going to refuse more of it?

Folks may not all want the same things but they all want something.

 

[Akivah]

Are You Ready To Consider That Capitalism Is The Real Problem?

Please discuss.

This isn't a study, this is two guys (one is an anthropologist) that wrote an article about their opinion. I'll admit that capitalism is flawed, but what isn't? There are four types of economic systems. IMO Capitalism is the least flawed system.
Economic System Types

Traditional
A traditional economic system is one in which each new generation retains the economic position of its parents and grandparents. Tradition decides what an individual does for his living, so industry, clothing and shelter are the same as in previous generations.

Market
Market economies are based on consumers and their buying decisions rather than under government control. Government’s role is to create a stable economy for the market to operate properly.

Command
In a command economy, the government controls all economic activity. The market plays little to no role in production decisions. Command economies are less flexible than market economies and react slower to changes in consumer purchasing patterns and fluctuations in supply and demand.

Mixed
A mixed economy combines qualities of market and command systems into one. Theoretically, this system should be able to combine the best policies of both systems, but in practice the proportion government controls and response to market forces varies. Some countries rely more on market emphasis and others on state planning.

 

[Lyndon]

Well, I don't judge. I just accept reality for what it is.

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Whatever it is that you want, are you really going to refuse more of it?

Folks may not all want the same things but they all want something.

Glad that we can finally put a face on who we are talking to!!

 

[bobhikes]

Ok, but the point is where are the millions risking their lives trying to escape capitalism?

The Five Most Capitalist Countries in the World - Who Are They?

China and India are on the list, I'm pretty sure million risk their lives to leave those countries.

 

[Nakosis]

The Five Most Capitalist Countries in the World - Who Are They?

China and India are on the list, I'm pretty sure million risk their lives to leave those countries.

Looks like, according to the article, that these countries are doing pretty good economically. So if they're leaving, it's probably not because of capitalism and all the jobs that have been created because of it.

Another win for capitalism...

 

[bobhikes]

Looks like, according to the article, that these countries are doing pretty good economically. So if they're leaving, it's probably not because of capitalism and all the jobs that have been created because of it.

Another win for capitalism...

Capitalism can't be all that great there still leaving so its not fixing any problems.

 

[Nakosis]

Capitalism can't be all that great there still leaving so its not fixing any problems.

Well honestly I'm all for free health care and free education since these things are IMO so important which is a suppose a socialist attitude, but you're going to need capitalism to fund them.

So capitalism is just private control of trade and industry. In other words you can own and control your own business. So you'd rather give control and ownership of the work you do to the government?

That's what you want or is it something else?

 

[Kenny]

LOL Whatever, I am an atheist, that will NEVER change. Not until the last proton decays will I become a theist of any kind, I'd of course probably be dead by then.

You are a free moral spiritual agent... I support your right to believe whatever you want to be.

 

[Corvus]

You are a free moral spiritual agent... I support your right to believe whatever you want to be.

Thank you very much. I grokk therefore I am.

 

[Corvus]

Mixed
A mixed economy combines qualities of market and command systems into one. Theoretically, this system should be able to combine the best policies of both systems, but in practice the proportion government controls and response to market forces varies. Some countries rely more on market emphasis and others on state planning.

This would be more my cup of tea. Possibly with a suitable AI executive, making all economic decisions, instead of corruptible incompetent fickle humans....is he joking? not really.

 

[Corvus]

Capitalism demands we reject God and embraced this life for all it's worth, spend spend spend, accumulate possessions, drown in debt. Work til old age, then hand over your home to pay for your care, and let the cycle repeat with your children.

Debt driven economies do not equal capitalism. In a capitalist system, innovation is rewarded, as is efficiency and productivity, in all areas but those where better proficiency is had by the public sector, since profit should be the ONLY consideration of non charitable private interests (aside from complying with the law) and as such this disqualifies them on grounds of human dignity and prevention of suffering, from being allowed to contractually provide vital or key public services. IMO.